Thanks for that kind mention that I have a point! :) Actually buddy, Oleg has already switched gears here though few people know it. :( He has just a few individuals finishing up a very limited last patch is all of il-2. He totally admits it too in his interviews.

It is hard to understand analogies when they dont make any sense stalkervision... i doubt you understand that ;) But that`s ok... go on.

Not talking about you whatsoever buddy but I really don't think people realise how smart a guy oleg is. He knows il-2 is an old, over the hill game, himself because he developed it! :)A good one to be sure but that is the facts. He is now putting all his resources or almost all of them into a new and much better game engine. The people that want to keep Il-2 unchanged are living in the past tense...

With all due respect BC, we can talk semantics or split hairs all day long.....doesnt change the facts one bit.

And off course i dont think parents care, thats not the point im trying to make.

As for the "kiddie" ramark..well, i dont care how old u are, if your a grown up, act like it. (Not directed at u off course. )

Pretty much every singel defence iv seen on the part of modders is the same tactics kidds use when trying to justify something they know is wrong. This "i whant, i whant, i whant" mentality makes my skin crawl....litterarly. Dont care if your 102, if u cant understand the word "no" u might as well be a 5-year old.

Sure, go on, use the mods...but for the love of god, why is it so important to let every singel person on gods green earth know about it. Especially in here and at UBIzoo? A lot of people have said time and time again , please knock it of. Why cant they just respect that, since as far as we all know thats Olegs wish to? Its complete lack of respect. "They" can demand respect and "no insults please"...but "We" cant, is that it?

U agree on it beeing a slap in Olegs face....do we really need more cause than that, and here in his "home" to boot?. The debate should end right there and then....but still it goes on and on and on and on and on.

People can shift the focus on to anything they like, faul language, insults or whatever...doesnt change facts one bit.


Not one bit.


But in the end u and Uther and others are right, insults wont get us anywhere. Not even the "right" thing or facts gets us anywhere, so why would insults. Im truly sorry if i "insulted" anyone in person, that wasnt my intention.


But the facts are:


Oleg could come in here 2 min from now and say " i will approve every and all modds/hacks made in IL2"...still does not change the wrong doing allredy commited. And i for one have a very good memory.

The only thing that will get us anywhere is saying exactly what the modders wanna hear/agree with them, nothing else.

People damands respect one sec just to slap u (Oleg) in the face the other. That kind of "logic" truly worries me.

Thx and bye bye.

I told you buddy put your Benie cap on.. :)

want me to explain huh?

The non-modders are like the Egyptians IMO. They want to keep the status quo meaning that everyone only follows their rules. They want no freedom to change anything that the non-modders don't want changed. One is suppose to live in the egyptian society and do what the egyptians want them to do and that is all. The egyptians have their god and that is oleg though I am sure that oleg doesn't want the title.. :)

The "egyptians" have their orderly society and want it to stay that way and they will attack anyone that wants any freedom or change from this bondage.

Com on Stalkervison, LOL.

Me and a few with me i guess are comming arround to NOT use insults and such...do u really have to serve em up for us to smack right out of the ballpark. LOL


U truly make it difficoult NOT to be insulting. LOL


Opps, that may be seen as a insult in itselfe, sry in that case.

Where the insults buddy? The egyptians had a great society! They just didn't believe in changing it is all.. :)

My apologies to Winston Churchill:

In England, everything is allowed, except that which is forbidden.
In France, everything is allowed, even that which is forbidden.
In Germany, everything is forbidden, except that which is allowed.
Online, everything is forbidden, even that which is allowed.

One thing that is a fact is that every single other popular Combat Flight simulator has been the subject of extensive community and third party modification...
Every single other Combat Flight Simulator Community has embaced it, utilisied it and welcomed it...
Now i'm sure plenty of people will tell me that what applies in those games doesn't apply in IL2, that IL2 is completely unique and where every other Combat Flight Simulator has been improved by community/third party mods IL2 is being destroyed by it...
But really what is the difference...
IL2 is a Combat Flight Simulator like LOMAC and EECH
It has closed code like Falcon 4.0 and Janes F/A18
It is a world war 2 combat flight simulator like European Air War and Combat Flight Simulator 3
So what exactly sets it so far apart from all of those...

Oh lets see, What's different?....Off the top of my head no permission was given to go and make/release the hacks

And you think it was in all of the above!!! Learn your Flight Sim history my friend ;)

You say "Vanilla" is the only version accepted by Maddox and 1C. "Vanilla" is the version direct out of the box. That means any and all addons, i.e. skins, missions and those great campaign addons (Ostfront, Wings over series) are not accepted? Have I read your logic right? This game started out with a limited "Modding" ability (see above examples).

As Ivan said, "this is getting better and better!" (Sorry if I quoted it wrong Ivan).



DerAlte

Yah, and u are grasping for straws.....u know EXACTLY what he means with "vanilla"

No mate, you quoted it right... but my quote doesnt go along with your post :D

I agree with carguy on pretty much on all points... But not commenting any further - as promised ;)

I don't understand. I am not "grasping for straws" (whatever that means). I just want to understand his logic, or maybe his lack of.

I am not for or against the "Mod Question". I do not loose sleep at night over this theme. I think some of you may do. Or at least kick your dog when a new mod comes out.

As the saying goes, " You are either a part of the solution, or part of the problem."

Ask yourself this, ( not just you, but all from both sides), which am I?


DerAlte

In order to answer that question all you have to do is go online to ASE or HL and see .... just how many people are flying those other sims mentioned that have " been the subject of extensive community and third party modification... " then ask yourself why that is.. and you will have your own answer in a nutshell... It is a shame that it had to be this way.. but it is what it is.

Right on Bearcat......those kids are too excited right now with their toys...to realize what it means for the future

Thats because they aren't played online through ASE or Hyperlobby...
How many World of Warcraft games are there on Hyperlobby? None? Doesn't mean its not popular though does it?
Ive been playing Falcon 4.0 online in various versions for over 6 years...never once through Hyperlobby
Flight Simulation doesn't begin and end with Hyperlobby!
There is another world out there...Offline, Squadron based, Peer to Peer, Co-op missions...that make up the vast majority of play!

Psss...Bearcat check out "Bunnie" :)


http://21stcenturytoys.com/1_18_scale.html#Anchor-49575


http://21stcenturytoys.com/images/po...ustang_lg1.jpg

In order to answer that question all you have to do is go online to ASE or HL and see .... just how many people are flying those other sims mentioned that have " been the subject of extensive community and third party modification... " then ask yourself why that is.. and you will have your own answer in a nutshell... It is a shame that it had to be this way.. but it is what it is.

Could it be that the online functions of those other games suck?

Or it could be that playing games in Dogfight rooms sucks...and flyers in other sims have cottened on to that fact...

Pfft!! Be all that as it may be... I bet the numbers still don't add up to Hyperlobby on a good night. I bet cyberspace is teaming with people flying all those great sims online....


http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Mybunnie.JPG
A bit late on that one... LMAO.. had it about a year now.. I got it before it was released..


I dont know... the only sim I ever had the chance to fly that "benifitted" from modding was the MS series... and the rest I can only speak about from hearsay.. but from what I saw of the MS series.. sure there were some good mods out there... but I think I DLd more bad ones than good.. and after a while I got tired of trying to keep track...

I do agree with you on that last one though Jason... about the DF rooms.. I got tired of that in the FFAs on the Zone... in fact if I hadnt discovered IL2 I might not e en be simming now... I am sure I am not alone in that respect either.

"Or it could be that playing games in Dogfight rooms sucks"

That is a given but you forget the online wars, coops, etc that also need good online coding.

Anyhow, back to the sound mod, I like it, have no intentions of wrecking online play with it.

i fly with 85-95 pilots at once, 3 times a week. on that server, over 60% connect direct ip. they aren't on HL or ASE.

[QUOTE=Bearcat;30728]Pfft!! Be all that as it may be... I bet the numbers still don't add up to Hyperlobby on a good night. I bet cyberspace is teaming with people flying all those great sims online....




http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Mybunnie.JPG
A bit late on that one... LMAO.. had it about a year now.. I got it before it was released..




before it was even released huh? excellent... ! :)

"I dont know... the only sim I ever had the chance to fly that "benifitted" from modding was the MS series... and the rest I can only speak about from hearsay.. but from what I saw of the MS series.. sure there were some good mods out there... but I think I DLd more bad ones than good.. and after a while I got tired of trying to keep track"

Bearcat, the above strikes a chord....there get to be so many mods that there is no way to keep track of what's what and the mods for IL2 will soon reach that plateau.

So far AAA has a handle on them but I think that will not last much longer.

And the some good, some bad is already trickling in.

I still keep thinking back to the no cd/no dvd files thing. If nothing else then putting them into my game folder made me a hacker in the true sense of the word.

Well from what I have seen the only mods that I am even interested in are the ones thatare acually more like utilities.. the one that might add a new map or two.... or three etc... or the one that will let you change default skins.. I dont know how it workls but I was told that it changes the skins for the static planes.. which is something that I have wanted for a long long time in here.. but.. as I said.. I am still in wait and see mode... I really would have no need for a lot of what I have seen coming out from AAA.. I only fly a handfull of planes in here now as it is.. and the stock sounds are ok to me... I really really hope that Oleg takes a bit of time for a few days to at least say something about this..

your a hypocrite to try and use that argument to steal from oleg !

il2 and 1946 are still the bread and butter income that helps to fund oleg's development of BoB. and he hasnt given permission to vandalize his products, or with your warped mind did you think you saw him say that to ?

what a load of nonsense !

if you want to make some logical argument, get your facts straight at the start.

hyperlobby is the main online server method for il2 dogfight servers, which is why it matters what happens there in regards to cheating. Hyperlobby isnt used for those other games because they either have their own server networks or use another type of online server system.

and nobody cares is a person uses hacked files at home in their own bedroom while they pretend to be chuck yeager with an uber hacked plane and blast 100 migs from the sky in 5 minutes.

the main reason people dont want hacked files is because there is no way to tell whom is using them online to cheat, when they join open servers. and oleg doesnt have the time to again devote resources and time on implementing a new server checksum version for 4.09

except of course you fail to mention that this server doesnt allow cheating either, and i know it well since i use that server myself.

when initially a new improved version of some sound files existed, it was seen as a good thing and was allowed to be used. but it wasnt openly posted in their forum that the hacked file which was used also could have included altered flight models, and now they are also starting to have problems with people using "improved" flight models and other hacked files.

so what do you think will happen to a good server like that if more and more people use uncontrolled hacked files ?

more insults...? Did I ever say he wasn't still making money from it junior...? If anything he is making MORE now because the mods are making it more worthy to own and not less with lots more features.

what a nut-bag.. You know with people like you around I am glad the game has evolved just to piss your little neanderthal brain right off.. :)

I see it doesn't stop you from being insulting.

Like I have said before, you have an outrageous double standard operating here.

Fortunately you are as transparent as glass...

We all see your "arguments" for what they are. Pure obfuscation.

But please continue, I need a good laugh.

Oh and several pages back Zo questioned if there was any proof of online cheating. Zo, contact the administrators of the Warbirds of Prey servers. They have banned people and have the tracks to prove it.

I could tell you what I and other members of the BlitzPigs have seen, but you wouldn't believe me anyway.

And to give credit where it is due I have seen a screen of your mod of the desert map, it's quite nice. I hope you will do some work for SOW when your are legitimately able to do so.

Or you Mr. Double standard? Lets's compare my comeback "insult" shall we? "Hypocrite and warped mind" to.. Neanderthal! WOOW.. what an insult my god I made! Actually I was holding back my powder here. I could have let this person have it with both barrels but choose to let 99 % of those insults just slide.

With you I choose to let fly just a bit more.. "Fortunately you are as transparent as glass"

what like that head of yours? If I put it up to the sun at lust the right angle I bet I could make a nice rainbow effect! :)

they would be banned and i'd fly with 85-95 pilots -1 cheater. the tracks would spot them.
i'm not worried. cheaters will cheat. just because i lock my car doesn't mean it still won't get stolen. thieves will thieve, cheaters will cheat.

all is needed is better ways to catch them.

hey, i got an idea. lets take away the spoons and forks from overweight people. that will cure them.

Btw, you say some people were banned for cheating? I hate to inform you but that is exactly like the on-line server system should work or weren't you aware of that too? So you have 'tracks" huh? Post them here we would really like to see them. I haven't see one bit of evidence of cheating yet from all you on'line paranoids.

cheaters always cheat and will cheat always. I quit on-line play ages ago because of non-hack cheating behavior I reqularly saw. I just got sick of all the pathetic childish nonsense in on-line play.

All I want is some basic nice improvments to Il-2 that are long over do in coming. The game is a done deal now even with that little patch that is promised and every whiner quotes as some kind of prof of continuing support..PLEASE! You on-line people police your own play and leave us off-liners out of your paraniod dellusional nonesense will you? If you can't police your own servers who's fault is it but your own. There is plenty of on-line non-hack cheating going on all the time that I would think you would have enough things to worry about on your plate already without making us a witch hunt target for your continuing frustrations.

hello Stalkervision, can you be more clear as to who the "you" is in this statment;
"Btw, you say some people were banned for cheating?"
i'm confused by your wording as to whom your post is directed towards because i see no one in the previous posts mentioning anyone banned for cheating. i'll re-read. maybe you were refering to something someone said a few pages back.

sorry about that buddy this is not about you whatsoever. I actually respect everything that you wrote! Your one on-liner I would be proud to play with and have on my side... :)

should have made a seperate post... :(

wish all on-line players were like you thrud.. ;)

I have seen so much non-hack on line cheating I won't even venture into that "zoo" again. IMO aircraft sim cheating is the absolute worst cheating one can do. I can take a tiny bit of silly cheating in other games but something about childish cheating in on-line aircraft sims really rubs me the wrong way... :(

I have seen way to much "historically incorrect Fm's" from Maddox (IMO) to make on-line play enjoyable for me also. I am a real stickler for these things and incorrect Fm's really bother me the most of anything. In BOBWOV we have been able to replicate quite accurately what the FM models of the historical aircraft were and should be IMO. It makes for a much better game all around. Of course will these things ever be adressed by the il-2 modders? Not likely because of all the flak coming from the other way to never ever touch Olegs precious wonderful semi-realistic fm's because of all THEIR "cheating concerns.. :(

Hmmm no comments on this then.

was that not a genuine fix for a problem, issued by the developer and publisher?

Oh? I never saw an official release announcement about that.Up to about 2 weeks ago it was a banning offence to mention no cd files on the ubi forum.Still might be.It was considered a hack,even though the majority of users had it.

No, it was official......meant to help those with cd/cdr drive/software promlem's

It became official quite some time after it was originally released...I guess UBI thought it was too late to shut the stable door after the horse had bolted! But for quite some time any threads mentioning it were deleted and users discussing it suspended.
Same thing with the removal of "securom" copy protection that was bundled with Pe2.
No-one within the IL2 community raised any objection to modding the game in these respects...though in terms of financial impact to a company - any software publisher is going to treat bypassing copy protection/anti-piracy methods far more serious than user-modification of the game for gameplay purposes.

LOL....I can assure you that it was alway's an offical patch/fix....not a hack, adopted by 1C/UBI

Oh right my mistake.Can you point me to the official release announcement for this,and explain why it was forbidden to talk about it at the official ubi forum?

That`s too naive...are you suggesting that you can dig out anyone who lightened his plane by few hundred kg or added few hundred horsepower?It is close to impossible.The server does not see the difference and you won`t either, even if you monitored the same trk over and over.Because AFAIK there is no utility that monitors flying parameters depending on a trk.As an experienced online pilot I know what a subtle and impossible to detect change in flight parameters can do - I can give myself a slight parameter advantage and win just about every engagement.You will not be able to prove that I modified something, ever.


Great, you`re not worried.Just stop misinforming the folks here.
Lets start out that there was a cheat proof system before.None of those cheats were able to ruin the play.They were easily detectable.
Now, we have a grotesque situation where those who got over the cheating long ago, actually opened the way to cheats that ruin the very fundamental aspect of the game - FM/DM. Those were untouchable until the hacking squad cracked the code.

So your carlock "analogy" is flawed. In IL2 case, the car was thief - proof because even if the thieves could take away your wheels, damage your car, they could never actually drive it away.
The hack squad has given them a remote control device that unlocks the car and starts the engine.

The theives don`t have the adequate documents to drive the car but in IL2 world there is no police that would stop them from stealing the car.

You support the very destruction of this sim`s fundamental coding design.

You destroy the fun for a group of people and tell them to deal with it themselves.


Overweight people actually don`t hurt you at all, the don`t spoil your meaning of life or anything, well maybe your esthetic sense but that is their business if they eat too much.

Hence that analogy is flawed also.

Just contact Targ.He`ll brief you on the issue I think.

Targ who?
Actually i don't think I need a briefing from the mysteriuos 'Targ' ,just the link to the official announcement would be fine thanks.

Quotes from UBI.com

Thats is from our very own Crazyivan1970 when asked a question about the No CD Hack

with reference to the No CD Hack

What?You trying to play with the no cd issue again?

That`s covered, Targ on the ubi forums posted that it is nothing like the hack and supported by Ubi.

Really funny to see you trying to refresh old stuff you can`t possibly prove.

If it was supported by UBI, why the Bans, thread locks and deletions? And reminders not to discuss it on the forums...

For quite some time it was banned and it started life as an un-official hack that was only eventually and belatedly accepted by UBI

Link to that thread please?
I see nothing at the ubi forum about this issue. I never actually got banned for talking about the no cd patch,but did get warned by Steve_V for posting in a thread about it.
Carguy did you use the no cd hack as soon as you could get it,or did you wait until it was officially accepted (about 2 weeks ago)?

PFFFT the no cd thing is hosted on ubi site since like forever!

If I see some mods hosted on ubi sites I let you know LOL

Uther just contact Targ, will ya!

So you cannot provide a link to the thread?

So I was mistaken...discussion of the No CD Hack was always allowed
No users were banned for 2 weeks, no threads were locked, no discussions were deleted and nobody was warned...
My earlier quotes were ones I had mis-interpreted eh ;)

Your earlier quotes don`t mean jack, dude.
You want to re-spin the nocd issue go ahead.

Go ask Ubi if they want to host some hacks on their sites LOL

Its quite simple…there is no spinning of the issue
The No CD Hack/Patch (Call it what you will) was user created…not official at the point it was initially released UBI had an extremely strong policy against it…(naturally enough Hacks that by pass Copy Protection are a very real threat to a software publishers revenue stream…and the only form of “mod” they are likely to have a strong policy about)
Discussion of it was banned on Ubi.com, users asking about were warned…repeat offenders were given two week cooling off periods, threads were locked, discussions deleted…this was the state of play for some time…
More recently, following newer releases and direct download releases which didn’t require the CD to be kept in the drive, UBI changed its policy and made the No CD patch available to users. (Though not the No DVD patch for 1946)
But for the majority of its life the No CD Hack was completely unofficial and resolutely opposed by UBI…
But strangely enough there was no outcry from the online community about its existence!

More obfuscation.

The noCD/DVD has nothing to do with a decompiler that opens the SFS files and allows unauthorized hacking.

This and only this is the crux of this issue.

Sometimes I really wish the CFS series would have been more successful, because all you modder types would never have come here.

The no DVD file is still an unauthorised hack.
Hands up who uses it!

before i answer that, do you know the context of my comment? do you know the server that Zap and were talking about and the rules and methods we use on that server?

there were ways to cheat before the code was accessed "openly". the cheaters haven't changed, just the tools. Is your ego that fragile that you can't stand being shot down? surround yourself with people you trust, fly with friends. yes i'm not worried.

i support people doing what they want with a product they bought as long as they don't make money off of it. (modding it and selling it as something else). i support you painting/modding your own car. i support you cutting the legs off your pants and wearing them as shorts. (as long as you don't sell them under the brand "carguy shorts")

relax, the modders are only hurting those with fragile online egos that can't find friends to fly with. stay cool in those modded pants ;-)


oh, btw

they don't hurt me physicaly,(unless next to them in coach class) but the do hurt my pocket book when they raise all my insurance rates to deal with the heathcare costs of dealing with the health issues that come with being overweight. i have a few overweight buddies that i'd like to take flying with me but i can't due to the weight and balance limitations of the plane i fly.

I wonder what the promodders will come up with next?

By all means, keep the smokescreens comming.


As said before, "we" can all use a good laugh.




The first modder who says "yes, i use mods and yes i know its wrong and yes its unfair to Oleg" would atleast get the respect from beeing honest.



BTW. take a look at this....missed it myselfe untill today.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...3/m/7011013516

You're wrong.....check the link at ubi.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...116#9031092116

WOW!! That is really a successfull thread.
I would have never imagined that it would spark such a long debate.
At least it shows that there are diverging opinions on the subject.

If I look to the hit ratio of this thread it is of 464 replies on 10620 views. This makes for a 4.4% rate.
If I take the Oleg Maddox Room thread then we have 480 replies on 60713 views that makes for 0.8% rate which is worse by a factor of 550%.
If I take the Oleg Maddox News thread then the rate is catastrophic at 2 replies on 34893 views which boils down to a mere 0.000057% or worse by a factor of 7676460%.
Oleg is really bad, bad, bad on communication.
He should have the best hit rate of all. This is sad.

Gold

Not intierly sure what u are trying to say.

Oleg Maddox News is a non active thread and locked.

In Oleg Maddox Room he have made quite a few posts actually. He got a higher postcount than me infact. ( not saying much, i know, but still. )

Oh, and i hate to be the one killing of this topic (muahahaha)...but.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2384

Using disrespect language to express an opinion in favor or against mods/hacks/originals or FM is not a good way to do so..

If you desire to use this kind of behaviors just simply use PM's

Is it that hard to explain yourself with out going to the easy way of bad language to each others ?
Thx

Evgeny is super-nice... if it was me modding this forum heads would be rolling by now... quiet a few of them :D :D :D

If you were modding you would have to have hold the grenade to your own head and pull the pin on yourself too... ;)

Evgeny is super nice, He lets us bicker and squabble and still somehow things seem to work out here. You guys could take some lessons from him couldn't you.? You all seem to be working on your last frayed nerve I fear...! :)

OK, I'll fill you in on this issue.....when Pacific Fighters was released, it came with anti-copy protection....it's there on the box in small yellow print....SOooo, some people had a problem on the install, due to their hardware/software configuration of their machine's.....the fix was released to only help those who suffered with that issue. It was not ment for every Tom, Dick, and Harry...that's why UBI mod's did not want it discused on their board's...and rightly so

well I beg to disagree. Maddox software is never ever Faulty! :)

LMAO yet another post that has absolutely no solidity to it. Please, show me ONE post that from Ivan that would even come close to requiring a ban.

I LMAO everytime your monkey paws manages to type out a word on the forum... :)

Dear csThor,

I was thinking exactly at that very post from Mr Oleg when I did my statement. The accent is put on "online cheating", not on modding per se. Moreover there are clues, found elsewhere, that modding (not haking, nor cheating) isn't disliked by the game owners, for the reasons that I tried to expose. Your hypothesis to explain the lack of a formal stance by UBI/Oleg/1C (no time, other priorities) doesn't sound very convincing, sorry to say that. It just takes the time of a post, 10 minutes.

As far as my agenda, in case you're interested, it is made by one simple point: the pleasure to discuss with clever people on facts and opinions about a game that I greatly appreciate.

For the rest it's enough to say that I play 100% online, and in servers with anticheat = 2, that is *no mods allowed * ... and I never saw strange things happening over there.

Best regards,
Insuber

PS: I deliberately ignore the rather tedious personal attack, it's much better to focus on ideas and opinions and keep the discussion on an higher level

This post has more then a bit o "flame bait" in it, doesn't it ????


crazyivan1970
Member Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 31



I wonder when stalkervision will stop calling bunch of hackers a "mod community"


>"Please, show me ONE post that from Ivan that would even come close to requiring a ban." As per your request..<

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Stalker > actually Ivan hasn't been so bad in general. I just enjoy needling the Il-2 mods here... :)

You better hope that he dos'nt get you in a headlock......he's not called "Crazy" for the hell of it http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...Ball/blink.gif





















' for no reason

Ivan and I are both crazy, We just approach the problem from opposite ends of the spectrum is all...

besides if he ever gets me in a headlock I will cut the biggest block of cheese he ever ever smelled and he will die of aphxiation long before me.. :)

The way I see it there are three options:

One, let things be the way they are today and hope that everyone online doesn’t use any mods.

Two, create software that plugs the hole for mods.

Three, accept the mods and create software that recognizes them.



Number one will make the last twelve months of online IL2 a pandemonium to say the least.

Two can’t happen due to lack of time for 1C´s programmers.

Three is in my opinion the only way to go, invite the guys who created the mods, they are talented and honest enough to show and share their work in the open, to do a interface that will let users choose mods and show to the co player what is changed.

You are the best. That's the best you could come up with? LMFAO I mean, no one even has to say anything, you do it to yourself! lol You REALLY are Mary's brother!

Here's the difference between you and I. I will go to work tomorrow, in a plane that I fly for a living. You will get up for homeroom and try to not be late for school. Then, spend all day waiting to come home so you can get to this thread and fail miserably with everything you say! lol I had to! I just can't stand to waste another second replying to anything I see from you. I will try really hard to ignore anything you type here.

You asked for one post... In all actually I was just having a bit of fun with ivan. Something you obviousy have no idea about whatsoever. Of course I have explained this but apparently your level of understanding is lower then even I thought which is pretty darn low.

BTW, what plane do you fly for a living? I have met quite a few pilots and none were as squirely as you are?


I think maybe you should just shorten your name to BS..

Wrong again.Thats the link to the no cd file.The no DVD file is an unauthorised hack.This is also in that thread:



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Posted Sat November 24 2007 12:52 Hide Post

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Originally posted by JG52Uther:
So just to clear this up for me please:
After all these years of being threatened with instant banning on the forum for even whispering about the no cd hack,its suddenly perfectly ok to talk about it,provide links for new guys etc?
I assuume this also includes the no dvd hack readily available for '46? Or is that one not allowed to be talked about yet?
Is this a major policy change from the mods?
I am not trying to be 'smart' here,as I would genuinely like to know.Not that many months ago,I was threatened with a ban by Steve V for telling someone to pm me for the link to the no cd (the ubi one by the way)
I would just like this clarified by the mods.



Well in light of this whole thing and a huge oversight on the entire moderating staff here... I have to apologize myself for anyone I may have banned for posting the no-cd post PF.. I don't think I did.. only warned.. but I could have done it and most likely have forgotten... at least one.. and for the sake of that one I do apologize because until Targ posted the rts file here I had completely forgotten that it was posted on UBI.. as for the no DVD file... well that file is NOT posted on UBI so IMO it is still an unofficial piece of kit.. even if it does the same thing as far as allowing no disk play. I won't ban anyone for it though from here on out just remove a link to it. There are other places and other means where it can be had than posting direct links here. As for the dozens of others who have been banned for posting links to it in the past between PF and now.. I can't speak for the other mods... but it makes me feel bad for the inconvenience and unfair bannings. Uther is right.

In our defense however I have to say that the policy was not clear anyway because for a long time there was NO no-cd period allowed on these boards... I forgot which version made them come up with the no-cd as a fix I think it was in 3.0... but I do know that before that there was no link to it and it was not allowed on these boards. Looking back with hindsight at the time of the change the policy should have been amended.. and it wasn't... sort of like some of those old laws still on the books about killing a hog on Sunday or something like that.... but yes Uther you are right IMO, but only for the rts file posted by UBI. This is just my take on the situation.. I have not discussed it with the other mods but it seems pretty clear to me. The main reason if you recall for the whole slapdown was the amount of theft in the first place.

Thanks Jg52 for posting this all. I find this information very interesting..

Bear in mind that I am NOT the voice of UBI... I speak for myself only in that post as far as what I intend to do..

You should put a note about that in your avitar in the "other forum" buddy..

actually I believe people know it already now.. :)

Howling with the wolves? *snort* Snowball's chance in Hell. You forgot the fourth option: Be even more selective when choosing who to play with and where to play.

No, I just don't take crap from anyone and I'm not afraid to tell someone that I don't like them. I just call'm as I see'm. It was probably years in the Army that drained me of any tolerance and I can't say that it's a bad thing. Your attitude and lack of tact shows your mentality and I'm here to tell you, I DON'T like you. I've met quite a few pilots that are just quiet, also met a few that are on the other end of the bar. I know even more that have kicked people off of flights because they wouldn't shutup. BTW your overuse of "buddy" is very annoying. Just for your enjoyment C182, D50 and King Air. Casa, Twin Otters, PAC750 and Caravans, although it will be a CRJ900 shortly. Anyway, this thread is about dead I'm hoping.....

You have a huge chip on your shoulder. I truly feel sorry for you. Life is way to short to carry all that baggage around. I know you won't take any advice from anyone "like me" but try to lose those self imposed chains before it turns you into an old and bitter person. Just be glad your alive for once and thankfully for what you have. You have your health don't you? That is the most important thing of all. Do people annoy me on occasion, yes. Does it get me down how people act, yes all the time. What truly amazes me are the people who have the most in life are the ones that appreciate it the least..

Well, u think "Last warning" has any meaning whatsoever to people like Stalkervison.


I dont.


When "they" relize talking about the orginal topic WILL get them banned from now on....they shift the discussion to more important things like "your less inteligent than i thought" or " what about the No CD crack"......like it has any meaning whatsoever in the long run.


They are still wrong...and it kills them.

Baron, I am answering a post written to ME and in a very polite manner I might add. This isn't addressed to you. The person that should be banned is obviously you for trying to start trouble here, as you had done many time before, after things have totally died down here.

This topic is ending now anyway. If mods can't be discussed here on a thread about the sound mod there doesn't seem to be any more point for this thread now does there?

Go start trouble with someone and somewhere else Baron please...

Starting trubble and stating facts are 2 differant things....still is even if u try to make it out not to be.


And see, u finally got the fact that there isnt any point in having this mod discussion......finally.



U like needeling, yes?


Oh, and the "im the victim" approach is hilarious...just so u know.



And dont worrie, ill move along now...dont wanna make u mad or anything.

More trouble making huh? Keep it up..... Make me mad? :) The only one you will make mad are the mods here...

Nope! lol That's why I ignored him, attempting to now anyway. After he started the high school thing, pointing from the back at the school ground argument saying, "OOooo burnnnn, pssssss" after some of his better verbalized supporters came in, I stopped listening. It just showed me he was here to antagonize and not talk like a mature adult. I for one am at fault for coming down to his level.

So now that its been shown that the no dvd file is an unofficial illegal hack that makes it possible to play the '46 DVD without the disc,thereby potentially costing Oleg money in lost sales, I trust everyone will put the official ubi securom version back into their 'official' game files.
No?...didn't think so.

It would nice if you would answered my post and not some troll's childish post... I quess your maturity level isn't quite what you believe it is be. Ignored me? LMAO! Since when? :)

I am going to let you go here buddy old pal. You obviously have many more problems then I can deal in one lifetime with..

Actually Stalker I think they are trying to get the thread locked by getting personal as they don't like some of the replies they are getting.