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Ryastar 04-01-2009 12:32 PM

Items don't have to be put on in order to be used, vulture, so you can save yourself a little time and just use the item right in your inventory.

As for you quitting, I'm sorry to hear that, but the problems you seem to be having would have been solved by using the tactics and advice that i have given you.

Vulture 04-01-2009 11:59 PM

Oh, never tried to use that thing from the inventory but when I reconsider. I use other items from the inv, too. Didn't realize that, haha ^^ thx

I did use your hints, without them I would have stopped right after clearing Kordar. So you gave me good insight, but actually what really helps with red dragons ? Unlimited range line breath is just annoying rather than challenging.
I mean, of course I can limit myself down to almost no free movement and place my 3 ranged units in a line vertically, block them with thorns and NEVER EVER move my melees in a possible diagonal oder horizontal line of sight to them. But, seriously, that's not what I consider fun gaming. Would be bearable as a mage, shackling and dragon arrowing in the first turn to have no threat from fireball/infernal exchange and an easy onehot dragon killer but that's not happening. It's either shackle ---> archers unleash hell on skellies or it's target: demonesses swap ranged unit with their demons or it's dragon arrows: both focused archers and swapped archers but a stack of dragons less. Annoyingly unavoidable stuff is what i hate the most, so practically the adventure is over for me. I still can win easily (we're talking normal diff here so we both know that that's not what bothers me ^^) but I don't see the point in "lol, whatever you do is wrong, lololrofl". I'll leave it up to people who don't mind that and see the fun anyway.

Ryastar 04-02-2009 12:35 AM

If they are bothering you, kill them. On normal difficulty it's as simple as that. Magic shackles first turn, send in one of sprites or lake fairies to attack. Dryads use lullaby. Range units kill. Unless your leadership is brutally low or you don't have one or two levels in onslaught (and you have had plenty of might runes, so I've been assuming you got at least one level in it), the red dragons should die and be out of your life. If your leadership isn't now between say 16k-20k ish depending on how many levels you took leadership upgrades that may be your problem right there. Or if you never went up to the top of the might tree (something all classes should do, even one level of tactics and onslaught can make the difference in the late game)

Sorry if you have answered any of the above in previous posts, I don't have time just now to reread the thread. I am also sorry if I seem to be condescending or arrogant, I am not trying to be.

Elwin 04-02-2009 08:18 AM

Unaviodable stuff ^^ reminds me when i tried to get Xeona early just after storming Bogacho. She had like 2 stacks of 200 demonesses 2 stacks of 350 imps and some others i dont remember , begining of the fight wasnt bad, mass magic shackles on start of course. Things got screwed when from Xeona'a demon portal came another demoness and did swap inqisitor with one of 200 demonesses so he directly destroyed my skel archers. I loaded game in that moment even if i win, losses would be to heavy.Think i wil get her just before Karador or after him

The one thing annoys me i cleared elf land and i still cant find f*king gift spell ...
UPDATE : I am gonna write more that i cant find something on this forum lol , its another time i found something just after writing it on forum while i was searching for it few days :D Got my gift spell .. so now : I cant find poison dagger :D I will be set completly than

Vulture 04-02-2009 12:10 PM

Easy Ryastar, you do not appear arrogant to me, you're trying to help but indeed your proposals got answered before. I got onslaught 2. Didn't get might runes the last 2 lvlups and they cost 600k @ Bogacho. And the next 2 would go into Dark Commander3. My skels go after enemy dragons. There's no chance for me to eliminate 3 Dragon stacks in turn one to just get rid of them before they can act. Especially not w/o dragon arrows. But that would actually be a dream scenario :> But reality shows only my black dragons and my hunters go before enemy dragons and they together will do jack in terms of "just kill them". As for the she-elves I dumped them during dragon fights in lotd and for karador, they just fell like flies and of course all enemies instantly went for them first. I mean I went better with them ALSO behind the thorns and only the demons out of it, haha. I won the battles against blacks/emeralds/bones with 3 units and 2 only idling and that was easier than having the girls get eaten... ridiculous.

But nevertheless I am willing to believe although I've been there and done that. I will go with the she-elves setup once again and try to "just kill them". I'll tell you the outcome though I know it. But I don't want to appear "unteachable".

@Elwin: exactly, unavoidable annoying stuff. But as for the xeona battle I was lucky. I did exactly as you did but the stack that came out of the portal instantly got smashed by my demons. Must have been a bug since neither of the units had the turn at that moment. Was pretty funny. Mobs appear, smashed *thorn bush from left to right*, period ^^. So the battle went on the way it was planned, hehe. Without portaled stuff behind your blocker line of course this fight is a joke even at low lvl and ldr.

Elwin 04-02-2009 11:24 PM

About Xeona on normal it was quite easy on hard not exactly ^^
I did Lotd with easy using:
demon
emerald
inquisitor
skel archer
royal snake
Fight with Karador was so easy now :D Teleported demon into them at first, blocked skel archer with royal and inquistor and dragon, second round dragon arrow for skels so skell started destroying dark crystal, on the ebd of the second turn time back on demon and further finish this what demon didnt with royal snake, emerlad actualy was jobless xD Karador didnt even spend half of his mana and was dead xD
However that didnt work for Xeona, for her i exchanged inqi and emerald with sprite and like fairy ( actualy its end of my second time but i used little girls first time) and then it was also very easy, and i exchanged royal snake with hunter since i wanted xeona and than royals lose their power

Stil no poison dagger :( I think i will never get if i havent got it yet .. and finding anything in murok is just to late.

Elwin 04-03-2009 08:12 PM

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No poison dagger and even no pain skull ( thought its guaranteed before) makes some things harder

I am at liitle end game crisis and problem is .. Bagud .. had no problem with him as a mage now i tried many things and cant win without much loses. Of course still i can win but actualy every battle in this game is winnable and just depends how much loses it will bring.For me win with much loses is not realy a win...I went through whole Haas labyrinth without losses or with very very minor ones. IN attachment scrennshot of his army. ON addition to that, he always teleport melees to my archers starting with ogre anf vet orc.
Need good advice, its the hardest battle i had on this char even Karador was very easy for me ...
I have also sprites and lake fairys, i tried many combinations of troops with those 7, was using ice thorns to protect archers all end up with a failure

I have managed to kill him without tremendous ( 400 sprites 300 skels 20 demons 30 hunters,but still too high for me) losses and wiped Haas with those what i had left, but just for my self i wanna kill this Bagud with no losses or almost none

Zonc 04-04-2009 03:12 PM

Use vampires to block 2 of 3 paths leading to your base positions, Demons go main path, after their timeback use gloth armor or Ice Thorns to protect them until timeback cools down. Archers destroy cyclops, use magic shackles as first spell (no catapults' firebomb and shamans' powers, but some losses unevitable)

And yes his teleport thing is very annoying ^^ usually for minimizing losses I use the combo: vampire stands by last enemy unit (only retaliates, no attack), cast sacrifice on unit that didn't take any losses (usually Demons) and then timeback them. Works pretty well epecially with lvl 3 chaos magic (saves time)


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