Official Fulqrum Publishing forum - I hate the wrong data in Il2 strmovik 1946

Official Fulqrum Publishing forum (http://forum.fulqrumpublishing.com/index.php)

- IL-2 Sturmovik (http://forum.fulqrumpublishing.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98)

- - I hate the wrong data in Il2 strmovik 1946 (http://forum.fulqrumpublishing.com/showthread.php?t=5732)

And a Merry Christmas to you sir!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 62986)

well I love the germans planes becouse this conutry bougth tho most letal fighters

Tha's a relative observation don't you think? Most lethal in what aspect? Firepower? For the most part sure, except the 109 but still. It really comes down to the pilot, heck an A6M2 Zero can whip a FW190 D9 if flown correctly.

Flyingbullseye

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former_Older (Post 63006)

Couple of observations:

6000m. Are you sure that the modeling of high altitude, not the aircraft, is the issue?

You seem to assume that both aircraft were being flown correctly

Also, have you ever considered that any simulation has limitations? Buying "real data" seems to be your solution. Where is this "real data" warehouse? It is very easy to point out failings in anything, the challenge is to find the faults and the ways to correct them, or different approaches to solve the problems. You do neither. You complain, proclaim things as wrong as if you know everything and can decide what's right and wrong, and then offer nothing but a request for a fix

To create a 'perfect' simulation of anything, first a "perfect" simulation of the real world needs to be modeled. Only then can a proper simulation of anything be produced. This simulation, despite it's improvements, is eight years old. The developer cannot be expected to provide support and improvements to the product forever. Do you understand that? The developer has ceased support of this simulation because they are developing a better one. The intention is to provide a more perfect simulation- but not by improving this one. You cannot just 'buy better data', plug it into the sim, and make the sim better.

Your complaints may be very valid, but you are literally years late in voicing them

But you think the new simulation SOW could be more perfect than Il2 sturmovik 1946?. I think with the new simulation this situation happend again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyingbullseye (Post 63019)

Hey this in the real life no the game, with a zero you can`t down at fw1900 d9, this is a madness, the german have a better planes of history, american pilots have afraid when they see a fw190 and that is true

Quote:

Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 63025)

But you think the new simulation SOW could be more perfect than Il2 sturmovik 1946?

Yes, I do think this could be more perfect than Il2. The lessons learned from the last eight years will be put to use in Storm of War. By definition, given the additional computer power available now, SoW will be "better" than Il2 as more calculations and more complex calculations are possible. However, I strongly feel that for some people, "better" will never be enough. I feel that some people will always find some way to find fault. If they look hard enough, they will find some failing or innaccuracy to complain about

Quote:

Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 63025)

I think with the new simulation this situation happend again.

That's as may be and you are perfectly able to have this opinion

However, since you have made this statement, I feel it is within reason to ask you what evidence you have of this, since you have never flown even a single plane from SoW yet. Please provide some basis for your standpoint

Quote:

SturmKreator wrote:
I think with the new simulation this situation happend again.

If you mean than there will be complaints, I think you are right.

Quote:

SturmKreator wrote:
with a zero you can`t down at fw190 d9.

But Zeros downed P51 and P47, which, in turn, downed FW190, wich downed La7, and so on...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 63026)

american pilots have afraid when they see a fw190 and that is true

Don't tell all the 190 pilots that were shot down by afraid Americans that.

Son, we all have our favorite aircraft, and that is all well and good. But if you are going to make all kinds of claims about your favorite, you need to back them up with factual information, not lines from a propaganda film. No one will take you seriously otherwise.

OK. I had not read this reply before I posted last.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 63026)

Hey this in the real life no the game, with a zero you can`t down at fw1900 d9,

Absolutely you can down a Focke-Wulf of any make with an A6M. As you say, "hey, this is in real life"

To argue otherwise is flatly wrong. There is nothing inherently superior that makes a FW 190-D9 invulnerable to an A6M. You are talking as if this were Fantasyland. The FW 190-D9 was not invincible, this is not a trading card game in which one card defeats another, and neither was historical air combat. You must b joking with this statement. Or do you perhaps disagree with von Richtofen's idea of "it's the man, not the machine"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 63026)

this is a madness, the german have a better planes of history,

Germans made fine aircraft but to make a blanket statement that disallows any other nation to have made fine aircraft as well is a false reality that blindly ignores anything but one's own personal opinion and jingoistic bias

In addition to many fine and advanced aircraft, the Germans also made a lot of planes that were simply bad or were not thought out completely, or just plain of poor construction, unless you consider planes shedding bits in flight to be an acceptable standard. In addition, in the first world war, the Germans made some planes that were so un-suitable they looked to another country for combat planes in many cases...just like the Americans did!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 63026)

american pilots have afraid when they see a fw190 and that is true

Americans were in fact afraid of German planes. Why should they not be? Only an idiot would not be afraid of guns pointing at them. Germans were afraid of American planes as well, and this is documentably true as evidenced by oral and written histories recorded of and by Luftwaffe pilots.

You are boldly wrong, plainly incorrect, and arrogantly ignorant.

You have not come here to talk about the simulation my friend. You have come here to troll

Merry Christmas and have a nice day, Storm Maker. Or should I say Pot Stirrer! :mrgreen:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ (Post 62980)

Make it useful for HIM then. ;)

I don´t waste pouder on little birds...you go ahead and do it. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former_Older (Post 63049)

OK. I had not read this reply before I posted last.

Absolutely you can down a Focke-Wulf of any make with an A6M. As you say, "hey, this is in real life"

To argue otherwise is flatly wrong. There is nothing inherently superior that makes a FW 190-D9 invulnerable to an A6M. You are talking as if this were Fantasyland. The FW 190-D9 was not invincible, this is not a trading card game in which one card defeats another, and neither was historical air combat. You must b joking with this statement. Or do you perhaps disagree with von Richtofen's idea of "it's the man, not the machine"?

Germans made fine aircraft but to make a blanket statement that disallows any other nation to have made fine aircraft as well is a false reality that blindly ignores anything but one's own personal opinion and jingoistic bias

In addition to many fine and advanced aircraft, the Germans also made a lot of planes that were simply bad or were not thought out completely, or just plain of poor construction, unless you consider planes shedding bits in flight to be an acceptable standard. In addition, in the first world war, the Germans made some planes that were so un-suitable they looked to another country for combat planes in many cases...just like the Americans did!

Americans were in fact afraid of German planes. Why should they not be? Only an idiot would not be afraid of guns pointing at them. Germans were afraid of American planes as well, and this is documentably true as evidenced by oral and written histories recorded of and by Luftwaffe pilots.

You are boldly wrong, plainly incorrect, and arrogantly ignorant.

You have not come here to talk about the simulation my friend. You have come here to troll

Merry Christmas and have a nice day, Storm Maker. Or should I say Pot Stirrer! :mrgreen:

Right on the money. To claim that a FW190D-9 is invulnerable to a Zero shows an obvious lack of understanding of the subject and sounds more like reading the watered down version of history rather than truly understanding air combat.

There are so many factors in air combat...the machine is definitely a crucial part and the Germans made excellent air combat machines but the difference between a FW190D-9 and a A6M Zero is not so great that given the right situation and the right pilot the Zero could not be the victor through proper employment of the various air combat techniques.

Air combat is often not a fair fight. What if the Zero in this hypothetical battles knows the FW190 is there but the FW190 does not. Surprise attack and the FW190 is down. Or the FW190 pilot miscalculates a turn and the Zero cuts the corner and again has guns and shoots him down. These are of course hypothetical since a Zero never fought a FW190 in an actual battle...but no plane is immune to any other.