Originally Posted by csThor (Post 63523)

Bearcat:

Well I never called "them" cheaters or liars. I always said this development has the potential to become explosive merely by creating an atmosphere where the suspicion of cheating is enough to blow up in our faces. And of course the "provocateurs" on both sides were few and far in between.
Bottom line for me is:

a) I have experienced what uncontrolled modding can do to a community and the enjoyment I can take out of a sim (with EAW and Panzer Elite). It took away all the fun and created nothing but frustration, waste of time and frictions between people I called friends and myself. Add to this that I consider "the community" (which is in fact fractured into many tiny groups with very special interests) not mature enough to be given any tools to modify the level playing field (or did we all forget the FM flamewars?) in any significant way and you have the reason why I am seriously doubting the value of user modding.

b) I have far too much respect for Oleg and his team to use anything "from there". Call me old-fashioned, but they made the decision to keep the code to themselves and I am not going to change that policy for me.

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead (Post 63524)

thor i just noticed you sig. are you working on that for Bob. just wondering.

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 63536)

Yep. At this moment only bombers and recon units of the Luftwaffe (those that saw action during the BoB, that is) remain undone, but unfortunately I am "out of order" due to a very rare illness which needs treatment via chemotherapy (I'll be getting my second shot tomorrow). Since this has to be done in Berlin I'm living with my parents until the therapy is over and my PC is 600km away from here. I don't know if I can finish that work as the therapy is scheduled to run until March or April ... :???:

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 63523)

Bearcat:

Well I never called "them" cheaters or liars. I always said this development has the potential to become explosive merely by creating an atmosphere where the suspicion of cheating is enough to blow up in our faces. And of course the "provocateurs" on both sides were few and far in between.
Bottom line for me is:

a) I have experienced what uncontrolled modding can do to a community and the enjoyment I can take out of a sim (with EAW and Panzer Elite). It took away all the fun and created nothing but frustration, waste of time and frictions between people I called friends and myself. Add to this that I consider "the community" (which is in fact fractured into many tiny groups with very special interests) not mature enough to be given any tools to modify the level playing field (or did we all forget the FM flamewars?) in any significant way and you have the reason why I am seriously doubting the value of user modding.

b) I have far too much respect for Oleg and his team to use anything "from there". Call me old-fashioned, but they made the decision to keep the code to themselves and I am not going to change that policy for me.

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing (Post 63532)

I've had some recent experience talking to and working with some folks that are involved in that community. What I find refreshing is this go around for mods has quite a bit of responsibility behind it. There is an opportunity to keep things from getting out of hand. The community has a policy that states there will be no changes to the existing FMs or DMs and they won't promote or host anything that does.

In addition they are creating a standard install that will have certain criteria for submission and quality control. If they continue down this path it may get rid of the garbage that could threaten our favorite sim.

At first I was very reluctant for all the same reasons above. The fact is IL2 in it's current state is far from complete or without it's issues. That could be said for may simulations but that's a different topic. The mods could be a good thing if they are done responsible and done correctly.

Until BOB hits the streets I'm keeping an open mind and continuing to enjoy 4.08 4.09b and some of the mods. It has some really good potential to breath life into a dying genre.

Originally Posted by MD_Wild_Weasel (Post 63477)

wow copperhead, such strong views there m8, As i am a regualer flyer on HL lets point out some facts .
1) most of the people who fly Il2 are of an average age of 45.(our oldest memeber in MD was 86)Infact one our our members is an university lecturer. Unless they have some serious issue`s with their personality why would they wanna cheat? I For one am 34 , I DO NOT CHEAT nor do i have the desire to cheat.
2) The people at AAA have strong views on making sure that exsiting FM or load out is NOT changed .And that Mods that are introduced are HISTORICAL with factual evidence
3) The aaa have introduced a "unified Mod Installer" which if everyone downloaded , servers could run at Check time =2
3) The mods that are available on the aaa website consist of the following:
cockpit re-paints, mirrors , ai cockpits, exhaust stack smoke , tyre screech, bullet impact sounds, new planes to name a few..

Copperhead, im not trying to covert peeps, but saying that quote"I think they suck. 1/2 @ss done trash by ppl who have next to zero idea what thier doing. the majority of wich are passing out cheat files in private amongst themselvs like thier halloween candy."is rather rude and slanderous, where is your evidence man? If also i could offer some advice? If you having trouble with cheats, fly smart. Cheaters usually come in the form of spotty faced kidz(sorry for the stereotype here) who cant be bothered to learn the hard way.These types of people usually fly low `n` slow in TnB fights.. Easy meals mate. :-P

Originally Posted by kristorf (Post 63548)

Thor,
going off topic, but all the best with the treatment mate and I hope all works out for you.