Well, to be fair, they re-wrote the graphics engine mostly because of the performance problems and other weird hick-ups of the old one.

Yes you are correct. It has been stated several times now that the new graphics engine effectively removes the code that was causing the CTD. Of course there may yet be other undiscovered issues in the new graphics beta which is why its a beta, and why they have painstakingly been working on it.

It shouldnt be forgotten that the engine will no doubt also require a number of adjustments to other areas of code in the game, like for example the last minute hitch they discovered with roundels etc that they talked about last week. This means they have to tweak other areas of the game before releasing what we perceive as "just" a beta graphics patch.

Please be patient we are all waiting anxiously and it should be worth the wait!

yes, i agree that is a good way to proceed

but i really hope they have been identifying and resolving the other big problems in this important "major bug list" just provided, and have finished work on what is needed to include the elements that are missing (for ex coop functions). if instead all their other folks have been working on BoM aspects, that would be a major problem for all of us, we simply cant be expected to wait that long (or not have BoB omissions and problems fixed) !

So you mean that first beta for graphic performacne fixes and official patch (or final) will include also other fixes ( FM, DM etc)?

I think people ( inculded me) are little confused about these things.

Suddenly I'm not interested in the beta patch anymore. I'll have to wait for the retail patch then. :-|

Well graphic and performacne patch is the same important like other fixes ( FM, DM, AI etc) to get full potential from these game.

So i could wait a little more for all these fixes ( if they will be fairly done) but i really dont want to wait another few months.

What the final patch will entail only time will tell ... I would, however, not assume or expect too much as the potential for disappointment would be too great. Either way we won't read about details until the final patch readme is out ... Before all we could do is speculate and that's a waste of time and braincells.

BlackSix, I realise we are like hungry dogs thrown a piece of meat and tearing it apart...but this could mean that there will be several beta patches preceding the official Steam update?

Beta 1 - graphics engine only
testing and corrections

Beta 2 - incorporating other work - sounds, FM tweaks, etc
testing and corrections

Official Steam update

6 months work - so it could be a MEGA patch. If so understandable they would want to introduce and test features separately

Sorry Thor, but I have plenty of time to waste - not too sure about the brain cells though...

Agree! I'm quite happy with what we know actually, substantial performance increase in a soon to be released beta patch, good enough for me.:grin:

Without working AI and radios, I don't see mayself flyin CloD anymore, performance boost or not. It's just boring for me as an offliner and coop player.