:D :D :D

I'll start to develop an open source sim on my own if they'll ever do it!

Anyway I've not so much experience about dogfighting with these models (mainly because I can't see them): are Spitfires still antigrav machines?

Maybe not speed, but in terms of E-retention I have seen some questionable Spit behaviour, though.

Energy management was exactly the reason of my question...

Talking about a flying brick: if they will not change the FM engine we'll see again Tempest's spin and autorecover in 100m as in 1946... if they will model it, of course.

Good flying that is called ;)

As about the lads above - I would keep this interesting by not assuming what THEY might do with elevator. All the information is relevant as for 1.05, we all know (and hope) that FMs are subject to change.

I agree. But the problem here is HOW are they gonna be changed.
Are they gonna be changed towards the fake 1946 FM?. We'll find out soon. To be honest I don't think it should be so difficult agreeing to set the parameters of each plane in game according with the official performance tests of them, which were really extensive in WW2 and there is plenty documentation about them also, that's the way it should be and remain either if we like it or not, IMHO.

I agree.

The problem with the 109's elevator is also about the flimsy data: simply there aren't real numbers about the strengh needed to manouvre. Only pilots' accounts...

We all know that the 109 pilot could control the plane using both his arms since it was not a lack of efficiency of the elevators at high speed (as the simulated in 1946).

Developers need to be find a way to manage this, otherwise we'll have again a porked 109. And here we go with the pilot's fatigue simulation...

Like what? I find the spitfires to be easier targets than the Hurri currently.

Change is easy..

The real problem (challenge) is knowing what it should be changed to!

Ask 10 people here what 'energy' means and your likely to get 10 different (and wrong) answers!

Truth be told you will not be able to find much if any real world data on 'energy' values wrt WWII aircraft, not in the post war since/definition of 'energy'..

In that it wasn't until just after WWII that a real 'standard' test was defined to measure energy and the change in energy..

Up until than 'energy retention' was loosely defined as a 'zoom' test..

And those tests were done mostly in the field, read not a typical performance test done under controlled conditions

In summary, until you know what the 'value' should be there should be no talk of 'changing' the current value

like making a quick 180 degrees turn without loosing much speed. But I must be wrong, I've so little experience in flight sims ... :D