I know about the rimfire's still being available. As you know, they are significantly less powerful than a centrefire gun, hence still being legal.

As for Cumbria, that was because of police incompetence. If they had got their act together, they could have stopped him earlier. I wasn't disputing the fact that the legislation is crap though - just pointing out why it is the way it is.

Don't get me wrong. I like target shooting, but the laws are there for good reason (normally because a minority ruin it for everyone else). Right or wrong, we just have to accept it. :(

Honestly I like it this way. I mean were we can and you can't. I will defend your right to keep them out of the hands of all your citizens.

It's all about shot placement. Lotta survivors of .44 mag who took one in the arm or leg but no survivors of those that took a .22 rimfire between the eyes.

too true!

then a lot of the rioters could have been equally armed.

would've been carnage.

so far one guy was shot dead (gang related apparently) thsoe three blokes that got hit by a car and a couple of bystanders (not rioters or police) have gotten a kicking.

hang on.

the criminals have guns, yes, a lot are reactivated firearms or eastern european. but it's the bullets that they find in short supply. rounds go for £50-100+ each. they tend to just shoot each other because it's difficult and expensive to get rounds for anything other than settling scores or sorting territory.

second, it appears and according to the IPCC, that the guy who got shot hadn't fired at police, and reports suggest it was still in his sock when they shot him. if he is brandishing the thing then fine - danger to life is obvious. if not the police ballsed it up. not helped by a bunch of them battering a 16 year old girl on the floor outside the station when the family turn up wanting to know what happened.

Nice thread.

Car = transport. Not a weapon.

Gun = Weapon. A weapon.

SternjagerII left his guns in Italy but wants to shoot guns = GO BACK TO ITALY.

We sorted?

Really, it's that simple. This is the UK, we don't do guns. Perhaps one day you'll be dancing on our national grave saying "I told you so" but I don't think so. If you want to own and shoot an arsenal of guns there's loads of places to do it, just not here. If you came here loving guns and are upset you don't get to go full-auto, it's this simple.

Leave.

The exits are clearly marked.

Go.

and would've ended in 1 day, but perhaps you prefer the alternative which is for the UK to be bled to death slowly?

Four dead ( is that how many the cops shot to death without reason on that bridge in New Orleans?), probably 2,000 going through the courts, about £100 million of damage, a national debate, some macro-economic and social changes. Hardly being bled to death slowly is it? And while we're at it this was exsclusively English rather than a UK event.

There are also people who like to go fishing with firearms while dressed in womens clothing! which would be actually illegal in Australia.

At least in my state taking fish with a firearm or even carrying it on your boat, or discharging it over open water is illegal.

Some laws are just plain silly and are designed to repress our self expression on our journey to enlightenment!