Originally Posted by YellowPaw (Post 199094)

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

Originally Posted by baronWastelan (Post 199104)

I don't care. This forum sucks and you're all gonna die.

Originally Posted by Jimko (Post 199103)

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Unless the rules governing the posting of questions and opinions in the 'Update' forum are spelled out very carefully to restrict the kind of postings made, then stopping those kinds of comments is a form of censorship that really defeats the purpose of discussion. And that's why I say that the rules governing the posts would have to change and be spelled out very carefully so as to be very restrictive, and, would likely eliminate meaningful discussions .

As it stands, I wouldn't want to see anyone prohibited from asking questions, stating opinions, or entering into POLITE discussions and debates. I can handle all that and I readily filter Oleg's comments when I need to. I am still of the opinion that there is no such thing as a 'stupid question', (probably because I can be guilty of many examples of them), although sometimes a question is ill-timed or not well thought out beforehand...a minor annoyance, not a major crime.

But the denigration of others should not be tolerated, and there are many forums where it's not. I believe that was the aspect that concerned Oleg and the reason he addressed us with his comment.

Originally Posted by YellowPaw (Post 199170)

@ Splitter - Thanks for the comment - I would like to post more often but I'm not sure I have too much to offer. I'm reasonably well-educated about WW2 and its aircraft but no where near the walking encyclopaedias that frequent this forum:-) - I come here to read, to be honest, and I hugely enjoy it! Though I do feel the odd question rearing its head as SoW nears completion.;)

Actually, I think in supporting my comment, you have rather surpassed it. :-) - Very clearly stated. Damn.

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz (Post 199175)

But what is exactly what are you looking for to people to say in Updates threads???

There are a lot of stupid question in those threads, but there are lot of good ones too, so moderators can't keep deleting or warning people just cause some
of the senior members doesn't like their questions.
Lads please let the fellas out there really say what they really think, nice or
not it will help to improve the project, developer doesn't need lamers fro their
good, need compliments and complains.

Regards

Potenz.

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz (Post 199175)

But what is exactly what are you looking for to people to say in Updates threads???

There are a lot of stupid question in those threads, but there are lot of good ones too, so moderators can't keep deleting or warning people just cause some
of the senior members doesn't like their questions.

Have you ever realized that the main problems in forum or chats is the lack of
expresion in the letters, you can try to say something in a funny way but can
be missunderstood by other and end up in something bad.

I suffer that in one of the updates talking about the effects, i sated that were wrong and doesn't look right and then fans flame me for that, then i don't remember who, but one from oleg team said that they hated those effects more than anybody else and were just wip. the main point in this
is in an update thread all the forum users will not think the same and you
should not filter that, let everybody express them selves and then take
what it worth for you.

I remember another time that somebody asked when was the first time
that this sim was anounced, i answered the question, and i recive a PM from
nearmiss that answering that i was insulting oleg.

Lads please let the fellas out there really say what they really think, nice or
not it will help to improve the project, developer doesn't need lamers fro their
good, need compliments and complains.

Regards

Potenz.