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BadAim 11-08-2010 03:16 PM

LOL, I just can't believe this is still a topic of conversation.........What were we talking about again?

Splitter 11-08-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BadAim (Post 196488)
LOL, I just can't believe this is still a topic of conversation.........What were we talking about again?

Old people's memories....don't you remember?

:)

Splitter

philip.ed 11-08-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 195976)
The only thing the BoB veteran needs to remember is that if you flew up behind a gaggle of heinkels like that you'd get killed. Not what day it was, or what he was wearing or what coulor the tracer was.. This thread is confusing memories and experience. Is anyone here arguing against what the guy said? I'm pretty sure you'd only need to see a friend killed once for it to register.. and for you not to forget it.

Exactly. Although, just to be pedantic, he might need to be able to distinguish between friendly and enemy tracer. I do this all the time in Il-2.
I'm not sure if this was the case in the BoB.

It's all quite interesting really.
I also think that, for a sim, a veteran would be more concerned about the gameplay, rather than the eye-candy. ;)

Quite an interesting debate.

PeterPanPan 11-08-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 196478)
so yo show a little 20 sec clip of a beta product that had many aspects incomplete or switched of, didnt seven show the sim itself and finished product, and you are surprised the 92 yo didnt think it was very "realistic"

once BoB is released and you put him in front of a big monitor with a decent pc and hotas controlers, and we'll see what he can then provide as opinion

untill then what you posted here is meaningless

Gee, thanks Zap for your equally blunt reply ;). You're right, the clip was short and taken from a beta product. I would love him to sit down with the full product and be really impressed with the finished article. Unfortunately, I don't have anything else I can show him at this stage, so what am I to do? Show him something now which he can at least pass comment on? Or wait until the game is finally released, whenever that might be? Given his age, I don't need to spell out the pitfalls of that approach.

I don't think his comments are meaningless, notwithstanding they were made in respect of a short clip. Given there are perhaps only 100 surviving RAF BoB veterans still alive, I think his comments, however brief, are priceless. But that's just MHO.

PPanPan

bf-110 11-08-2010 09:25 PM

Not really a commercial view,but more as "we are bringing the experience of flying a WWII plane back".

Avimimus 11-08-2010 09:31 PM

I'm just waiting for the SoW release and the endless series of posts about AI "sniper" gunners taking out Hurricanes with MG-15s...

(Once the AI is finished and not on easy settings for debugging)

winny 11-08-2010 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by philip.ed (Post 196496)
Exactly. Although, just to be pedantic, he might need to be able to distinguish between friendly and enemy tracer.

I could be wrong.. but I think the enemy tracer are the ones coming towards you (in most cases) :P

(Note: In all cases treat any tracer coming your way as something you should probably avoid) I underlined the important bits.

It's kinda like showing an F1 game to an F1 Driver I suppose.. They're probably thinking... pah, nothing like it!

I actually liked the Veterans comment because it showed his mind still worked on a tactical level above anything else. It shows the first thing he thought of when he saw it was about the actual practicallity of it all, not the look, but the what do you do when you are in that situation. He was never gonna say "that's the best graphics I've ever seen", was he? Anyway respect to him for showing that old men still think like young men.

Avimimus 11-09-2010 03:12 AM

Good observation.

Come to think of it, I've seen this in a few other accounts of Veterans being shown sims. For us simmers it is a game - a game we can push towards being an art. But for them it was (and remains) anything but a game.

Practicality deserves a great deal of respect, especially for the causes behind it.

Skoshi Tiger 11-09-2010 04:17 AM

Check out from about 6:25 for some spiffing tactics to use against He111

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-fV...eature=related

Unfortunately I can't listen to the comentators voice without thinking of Monty Python!

Cheers!

Rodolphe 11-09-2010 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 196680)
Check out from about 6:25 for some spiffing tactics to use against He111

Cheers!

:grin:
So bad Vulching this "gear extended He111". :rolleyes:
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http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Vulch.jpg



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Euh ! They had the "Flat" cloud base. Right ! :grin:
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http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Cloud.jpg

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