Yup! All of the above, and most importantly, take the Paladin class for a fast-tracked Learning 3 and more powerful +XP medal (sorry Warrior and Mage, no high score for you).

Hi DGD, nice to bump into you again in the forums. :) Nope, (thankfully) it didn't "take a lot of fooling around" as like I mentioned in an earlier post, the same shop that sold 2 Trolls after the 1st demon battle also sold 4 AKs (see screenshot); I already dug up 1AK, so I just bought "two extra". :rolleyes:

I still think level 5 units should be "banned" from low level campaigns like this. Just my 2 cents, though I did enjoy how my Trolls and BDs stomped the living daylights out of everything that crossed their path. :) Imba!

a current game that I am in, impossible, mage, no ancient scroll or any experience artifact, no troll...I managed to do these suppression battles so far with the help of a resurrection scroll I found in one of the shops on the second island:

simple ->runic sword (1)
steel ->spiked boots (1)
novice's dress->dress of the mages(1)
traveler->druidic->staff of the high druid(2)
bronze->silver ring(1)
officer->colonel->general->marshal baton (3)

will do silver->gold ring next time, and then TRY to do silver shoes->perfect shoes.

so if i manage to do the last two, it's 11 suppression battles in total....

please find attached SS my hardest fight so far (general->marshal baton):

a whooping 5340 experience! no troll, so took 150 turns, most of which was used to resurrect my cannon fodders.

regarding class choice: early on paladin would rely too much on having a troll.

also, how does "Holy Armor" work? what does the term "number" mean?

also, question for lore, why do you use black dragon? you can't heal black dragon right? so there is nothing you can do if it gets attacked...and also, if you slap on a peacefulness and magic-spring on a red dragon, you have 9 more defense and 305 more health plus you can heal him!!!

Sorry, I didn't take Holy Armor so I don't know how it works.

I took the black dragons because they have a base 80% magic resistance; add the diploma of anti-magic/magician's cowl and you have 95% MR, very good for taking out the red gremlin towers during suppression battles. I had leadership for 4 of them, and the key was to split them up into 4 stacks so even if one stack is near death the others could still fight on.

Good luck on your attempt! Do keep us posted on how it goes. :)

i am going to try to upgrade "perfect shoe", it's my 11th and last suppression battle before the final fight.

all-elf-team with max morale!

you will see that my black unicorns are quite OP if you look at the second picture.

btw lore, i wanted to ask, what items did you suppress?

Just finished this on "hard" with a mage - Score was 539. That last battle was pretty rough; my character was only a level 14. Stupid demon portals!

steel band --> steel belt
fine boots --> golden boots
ballroom dress --> dress of the princess
magician's cowl --> magician's cloak
magician's cloak --> magician's cape
snake ring --> snake ring of wisdom

The red gremlin towers couldn't throw magical attacks at the black dragons (unless it was a counterattack, wherein they did roughly 12-18 damage to the BDs while BDs do 250+ damage to them), so they either buffed their troops or cast Lightning on my Trolls (which not only were regenerating, but also had Peacefulness cast on them).

from the looks of it, items that require more than one upgrade are the best, not only you get more fights, but also the final upgrade(if doable) usually yields way more experience.

it also has to do with item-level, i remember trying to upgrade something and a stack of 27 arch devils jumped over and i was like "whaaaaaat?"

and the upgrading fight can be really really hard, the battle I am still trying to beat, the gremlin towers themselves have 14000 health...

now, who has the patience to save/scan for a new save, where

1, troll/resurrection scroll is available.

2, ancient knowledge scroll is available (repeatedly loading/digging for an ancient knowledge scroll is simply not practical).

3, 15+ish suppression fights. you need the baton(3)/2 weapons(4)/bronze ring(2)/and around 5 one-upgrade items.

4, extra experience% items like hand of necropolis.

Ouch! Even with the extra levels I don't think level 5 item suppression could be done in this campaign; unless you get lucky and the item generates:

1) all evil gremlin towers
2) all enemies are slow melee
3) black dragons are available for you to actually win such a fight

As for the save game file, I have trolls, resurrection, AKx4, hand of necropolis, and 6 item suppression battles; but even if I gave it to you the best that could be done is to match 763. :(

This is why I hate the concept of AK scrolls. In KBTL there was technically a max possible score, but with the introduction of AKs in KBAP there is technically no max; it just depends on how lucky you are. And this is the same reason I take no offense in using the KBScanner; if I am to play the campaign only once and I am going for as high a score as I could, then I would like to make sure that I remove most of the luck factor involved in acquiring +XP items, so that my planning and efforts would yield maximum results.

i actually managed to win the fight, but in the end, the single druid that i left to give me mana spring charges summoned a bear and i killed it without noticing that it was standing on top of the corpse of the last unit that i needed to rez..."head explodes*

the fight itself is not hard, fear + fire arrow the team of 3200 fairies. (ouch if you don't fear them and let it touch you), kill friendly gremlin tower(only 1) save/load to make sure you don't let the friendly gremlin tower summon units. kill 1900 dryads(two teams...) and thousands of thorns they summoned(thorns are bad because they will make your corpse disappear). kill 170 black unicorns and almost all fairies (leave a small a mount of fairies as it attacks without retal) kill almost all druids (leave a small a mount of fairies as it attacks with cloud and summons bears for manaspring) let all troops die (at a safe place so their corpse are in a corner or something) but one single stack of black unicorns, just slap on mana spring and resurrect when needed, use him to kill all the gremlin towers then start resurrecting the other units in one corner while the fairy and druid hit you in the other corner.

so ya, level 5 suppression is definitely possible as long as there are HUGE stacks of level 1 units that can be crowd control'd, and no big stack of level 5 units(like 27 archdevil).

because 3200 fairy is probably equivalent to 27 arch devil in leadership but in reality the former is much much easier to handle.