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Unfortunately the idea of a world without armies and guns is pure utopia: difference, class, status and primary needs force us to confrontation, on many scales. I agree, I don't wanna live in a society where I need to walk around with a sidearm all the time to provide for my own security, but I want to be given the freedom of bearing arms, using them for recreation, hobby, hunting (not that i'm a hunter myself, but others are) and ultimately (and hopefully never), self defence. |
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Universtity fees (taxes?) is a seperate issue? Who was protesting? Students. Who protested at the banning of handguns? Handgun owners, it means nothing. It's just tough Quote:
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Where did I say my country was better, where would you like me to start with Italy? 20th Century? Truth is, none of these points you raise have any relevance to the discussion. You brought Bloody Sunday up why? What point were you making? Quote:
Bringing all manner of historical attrocities and wrong doings, for what? To defend your hobby. I have kept to arguing my case not throwing so much sh*t around hoping some sticks. |
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And in regards to nations, we are very qucikly reaching a point where this earth is becoming a very small and very densly populated place. Time runs out for national quarrels. Either grow up or go down. |
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You also continue to tell me how I think ' From what you write you really seem to be afraid that what's alien to you will bring only bad things, so you want to push it away altogether' No, I just don't want the current gun laws changed, you have expanded the argument to include all of the 'bad' things that you have included in your posts, the shock tactics, character assasination, is all there for anyone to read. All I have said is I disagree with you and I've stated why. Get over it. Oh and please quote me where I said you 'steal' our money, I said take, as in when it's given. |
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I thought we agreed to disagree some time ago, you must have got bored of the lack of attention and came back for more. Take "your" money? What about the profit that my work generates? The taxes I pay? Is my work less valuable than yours? I'm not taking nobody's money, you ignorant bigot, I'm earning my salary, and my taxes also pay for people that are too lazy to get themselves a job, or maybe I have no right to complain about this cos I'm not English? And you also have the courage to ask me why I call you names.. unbelievable! |
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Still going at it? You might as well give up Stern, there is nothing more persistent than a man trying to explain why he'd give up his freedom for security. There is no logical reason for it, there can be no good outcome except that of a slave with a benevolent master, so you cant expect logical reasoning to work. No matter what you say, it will be seen as a personal attack, so the only response you'll get are personal attacks after the party line has run out of steam.
I really, really love my UK friends, as I've said here before, but banging heads rarely helps. Both men just end up with a headache and opinions unchanged. |
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Quote me where I've contradicted myself? As for xenophobia, I'm talking to an individual, not an Itallian, who has sat there and listed all that is wrong with the UK, over and over again, if you were English I'd still say 'if you don't like it that much leave.' Your nationality is of no importance. I have not mentioned anything about Italy, you have mentioned lots of negative points, sterotypes and historical wrongs about the UK, and you call me a xenophobe. So don't try and assasinate my character with slurrs like xenophobe, it is not true. You'll say anything to defend your hobby. All I have ever said is I don't want the current guns laws changed, because at some point they will issue a licence to someone who shouldn't have one, because the authorities don't exactly fill me with confidence. Less people in the UK died from being shot last year than died from farming accidents, where have we got it so wrong? Where are all these gun waving murderes that you need a gun to defend yourself? |
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