no... there was a new reason this week : ... he was ill and Luthier was out of office... (both took place at the same time)
next week... there will be something different... be sure... seriously

I think they should just not say anything about when they expect a patch. I wanna know what they are working on, but no more timelines, no more Maybe this week maybe next. Too many people here think the forum is made of stone, and that everything written in it is law. Take the Eagle Dynamics mind set, it will be available for download when its ready, dont ask when that is, its done when its done.

I will translate for the haters... Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa
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Yes I agree.... the needs of the Many will "except" the offer...as you say...

and out weigh the needs of the few that will "accept" the offer....:cool:

Apologies to Spock

These things are easily said and far less easily proved, and considering the nature of your recent post I'm quite frankly inclined to disbelieve.

If this is actually the case, why have you not volunteeered your 'expertise'? If you are so passionate about this sim as you so claim, why not offer to help? You clearly think you are qualified enough.

Instead you sit back bitching like every other critic round here, fanning the ill-feeling and slowly helping to drive nails into the coffin lid of this project.

Oh, I forgot that you know everything about how simple it is to run a software development company, and you obviously have some source or window into the lives of all the development team at MG and are intimately aquainted with the various ins and outs of the project management and decison making process to make such an accusation and feel it is credible...

Your suppositions are based on a minute percentage of the information available and one helluva lot of imagination.

Clearly somewhere some bad decisions have been made, and the knock on effects are still being felt now, amplified even. However where you see theives, fools and incompetants I'm more inclined to put myself in their situation and try and empathise, imagine what my feelings and motivations might be, and see some chaps in a bad place working hard to correct some bad luck and bad choices - it's what I'd do in their situation.

Which leads me to.....

Ha! Your entire diatribe proves entirley otherwise. Go look up 'understand' in the dictionary - it means to comprehend, empathise, reach a level of compassionate intellectual syncronisation. You have shown sweet Fanny Adams thus far.

The fact is I understand your frustration, I'm in here every Friday too hoping for a fix. The game was gifted to me by a friend so I'm not out of pocket it like a lot of others but it has cost me in some regard - I've been following this title as long and with as much anticipation as anyone else and want to see a comprehensive fix as much as the next guy.

What I don't get is the bitter, stinging slanging and treatment of the dev team - what on earth do people think it will accomplish?? We just widen the Gulf between client and developer, demotivate the very people we want to work to fix our issues and risk at the very least losing features we'd like to see cos they won't bother listening or worst case the entire title and we'll be stuck with a lame duck forever more!

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?!

Im not a "hater" and i dont think anyone else is, here or at SimHQ. SimHQ extended discussions is a place where you can speak your mind openly without fear of being banned if you are unhappy with the state of CLOD. The discussions there while heated sometimes are friendly and without malice.

Chivas and myself have being "discussing" CLOD for well over a year with out either of us resorting to attacks, abuse or any bans.

And Frey, you were banned for personal attacks in the forum you said you would never visit but couldn't help but attack people. Since then the forum is friendly and with out problems.

Worrying though is a Mod labeling some forum members "haters and trolls". I thought mods were superposed to be unbiased, how can we be sure of fair and unbiased moderation on this forum with comments like that?

+1 Well said

titter titter

Agreed 100%

rotfl

Bingo!

What you just described is known as beta testing in the software world.. Minus the square one comment, which is just your opinion.

Which is true of many software companies..

Where they found it silly to spend a lot of time and effort explaining the results of a beta patch..

In that the full intent of a beta patch is to release it knowing in advance 'some' aspects are unfinished, un-optimized, or flat out broken

But the purpose (hope) is by releasing a beta patch they can obtain feedback from the community as to 'other' aspects of the program.

Fixed that for ya

Which is what they do with a final release patch, but don't do, on purpose, with a beta patch.

The whole purpose of putting out a beta patch is to 'see' if it works..

If not..

Find and fix what is broken..

wash rinse repeat

Until they can find no more errors

And even after all that there is no guarantee (ie be 'certain')

But they do this so they can be as 'certain' as they can be when they release the 'official' patch.

The only real mistake 1C makes in all this is when they assume the users of beta patches understand what beta patch means. In that based on the responses in this thread and others that is clearly not the case!

We also know what an Alpha build is...which is what got boxed up and put on the shelves pretending to be retail only to get the attitude later "Sorry...we needed your money"

It ain't my kitchen.
It ain't my pot.
It ain't my job.
It's our "stew".

I don't mean anything ugly by that above...
I'd just like to have a downloadable Steam Patch for this sim.

Like others....I'm tired of Stewing,
Stirring and the like.

later....

Man you should put your specs in your sig, maybe one of us here can help you to start enjoying the game, while waiting for other improvement. It is really such a great great flight sim, even now... and just wait, its gonna be sick!:)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24278092.jpg


;)

No need for that...the sim runs pretty smooth on my rig except for the ground micro stutter. Myself being on offline player, am waiting for all the other bug fixes that affect the single player experience. (IE: Working Radio commands...etc etc.)

I am mostly off-line as-well right now, been having a blast with it. I am well aware of the problems with the game, but am having an enjoyable 1/2 hour each day... I was forced down to a field, and came to rest near a farm house with a thatched roof and a windmill that was spinning around. Only saying that there is a tremendous amount of enjoyment to be had right NOW. :)

I have been having some sporatic fun as well. I recently have been messing around with the dynamic campaign generator that someone created. It has it's moments and once the game is patched up I hope someone explores this further. I don't have too much time for the FMB so I have to use what I can find.

I do appreciate your enthusiasm though! Mind if I ask if you are flying single missions, downloaded ones, or campaign?

I'm flying individual small missions that I created in fmb. Depending on my mood each day/mission is different for me, ground attack, air skirmish etc. I'm glad that you have not shelved it for now:)

It's logged some time on my shelf for sure.:) I don't know about you but I have rolled back to the last retail patch since it ran ok for me and there was some stuff bugged in the last beta. I still get particle slow downs though. Example: Watching planes take off, the dust they kick up brings the frames way down. I hope this is addressed in the next patch. Here are my specs:

Alienware X-58
Windows 7 home 64 bit
6 gig of 1600 mhz performance memory
Intel i7 920 @ 3.5ghz
Powercolor 6970 2gb video card with factory overclock

And with that I see that I need to update my statment to the following..

The only real mistake 1C makes in all this is when they assume the users of alpha/beta patches understand what alpha/beta patch means. In that based on the responses in this thread and others that is clearly not the case!

You are just guessing the devs are unskilled, there might be a plethora of reasons behind these array of successive failures. However, all paths should lead to the PM, he is directly responsible for the success or failure of a project.

He is responsible for assuring the project is scheduled, meets deadlines, quality levels etc, which clearly is not happening here. If he the devs are unproductive, then he is directly responsive for this too, as he is in charge of choosing who does what or, at least, should have a strong influence on the team's assemblage. If the team needs more motivation, employees, training or whatever, he should have taken care of that ages ago. Otherwise, I think we can assume the company is into some financial problems or treating this project as non-important and putting it aside with one or another fella working on it sparsely just to keep up appearances.

Eeerrrrm...............no, never mind.

Good one!LOL

With the current 'official' patch there are still serious errors. You're comparing a Beta patch to a game which appears to be a Beta itself. For many the Beta patch is the only chance they may have to get the game to work for whatever reasons.

Yes, the complaining appears too harsh based on the fact it isn't official, but you act as though it's not to be expected.

Indeed, despite the apparent animosity in certain posts, they still serve as being useful because they are highlighting issues which need to be addressed in the next patch.

Do we have a new date for the forthcoming patch ?

Think of any you want, it might be closer than 1C can say

Last Monday?

No. Dates move around here. When get it when we get it.
In the meantime we have petty arguments. It's great.

When its done.

No, but I guarantee this Friday they will be sorry that they couldn't push the patch out and they are still working on it. That seems to be the norm now for a Friday update if you take away the screen shots of Bom.

[QUOTE=BlackSix;448571]Hello everyone!

We’ve just fixed the last major bug about five minutes ago. We are building the new patch right now, but we’d like to keep it in for Monday just in case something else comes up. We’d really like to avoid releasing it with some other unforeseen issue.

Can't wait until Monday! Thanks man!

@ATAG_Doc

You do realize the Monday he was talking about has come and gone don't you? So I take it we are in for a long haul because there must be another issue to the beta patch.

Which explains this part of B6's update...

But I suppose releasing a unplayable patch Monday would have been better in your eyes?

Still no patch? 4 days late and counting...

Did I say it would? I was just explaining to ATAG_Doc that it's not this Monday for the patch, but it was suppose to be last Monday if all had been well.

Que bien que ACE de imbécil en el foro éste tipo. Tiene mucho talento para eso :grin:

This thread appears to have degenerated sufficiently as to be worthless.

Should it be locked now?

Septic.

May the pacth Rest In Peace, his memory be honoured with the respect ought.

This is what happens when we do not have our drug...the patch. Addicted get nervous...some even try to play some other games...I shouted at my neighbours....did not sleep since monday....I looked for B6 phone number in moscow yellow pages to give him the fastest medical assistance....;)Please 1C give us our doses soon!!:grin:

lol..... Lol....

Exactly I rest my case,you are uneducated are'nt you,my spelling of favour is correct,yet you show yourself up again,thinking it's spelt favor,for God's sake man go back to school.

Just study your last reply,look in a dictionary for God's sake!.............yes lock the bloody thread ,for Christ sake,don't let this imbecile show himself up anymore.,give him some dignity.

So other than my spelling..

And attacking me personally..

Did you have anything to contribute to the topic at hand?

Also, did you get a chance to read the forum rules?

I think not, in that playground name calling, like calling me an imbecile, is againts the fourm rules!

Just thought I would let you know in that I would hate to see you get some time off for that!

Now if you feel the need to act like this

Please do us all a favor and PM me!

Thus sparing the other members of this forum your actions

Hehe....would'nt give you the time of day mate,be on with you,you twerp!......learn to spell and communicate in English and maybe,maybe we might find some common ground to communicate through.

Sorry to see somebody from the great town of Windsor showing his ignorance. As Ace-of-Aces is located in New Mexico-USA, and is using the accepted American spelling of "favor" instead of the English spelling of "favour" then I fail to see why Meaker is getting his knickers in a twist about this whole thing. I suggest Meaker crawls back into his burrow until he has something intelligent to contribute.

Keep in mind you would not be doing it for me!

You would be donig it for the other members of this forum!

Thus sparing them your need to express you dislike of me

Comrade Yushin, teach good manners to our american friend

It's Wouldn't.

It is in my view essential to try and be correct when one is being pedantic about grammar.

I'm no pedant. :)

Septic.

he he. I see your getting the hang of the forum now.:-P

btw, enjoy another super hot day in citrus heights!

No you see,you mean you're dislike of me,not you dislike of me,see,again a very unintelligent reply,please if we're going to have an intelligent argument you're going to need an interpreter:rolleyes:

And ps,I don't hate you,just your English,lol.

Cant belive people STILL makes excuses for someonelses misstakes.

Some times i wonder what it really takes to make people say enough is enough.

Just to make things clear, i dont care about bugs, issues, crashes etc etc. I dont care about money spent. I dont care about any of that and i understand it CAN be difficoult.

If any of you knew me you would know that there proppably isnt a more patient person irl than me. The reason I say enough is enough after patiently accepting the explanations for 18 long months is that nothing changes, not in the handling of the problem towards the player base, not in the effords put into fixing the problems, they work hard, im sure of that, but there are no major results comming from all that hard work. Nothing changes, nothing. It just goes on and on and on and on. And before anyone comes draging with the usuall "well, they never said when it would be fixed", "They cant promise anything cuz the babys in here will throw a fit if they dont deliver" etc etc, understand that if you say you will do something you DO IT and you do it in a reasonable timeframe, 18 months is not a resonable timeframe in any field of work anywhere on this planet, and thats a fact. It has nothing to do with a perticular persons patience or die hard support, it has everything to do with delivering a product/service that you allredy charged for, it has everything to do with taking pride in ones work and ethics. Where i come from, if you dont deliver you make compensations or you do everything to fix it asap (noooooo, 18 months is not asap) or you close up shop, plain and simple. What you DO NOT do however, is start work on something completly new AND show PROGRESS on that work. I doesnt matter how many work on this or that, who does what etc. If you cant deliver, its all hands on deck untill the freeking problem is solved, PERIOD.

The lack of this is whats starting to pi** me off. Dont promise this and that, dont show stuff that irrelevant to the problem at hand, just FIX IT and fix it NOW.
This type of opinion really shouldnt come as a suprise to any adult who spent any amont of time in the real world, should it?

Im not accusing anyone, im not blaming anyone, just stop this nonsens and FIX the damn thing allredy.

All that aside, the cold hard truth, if this was irl so to speak, of the matter is that CloD will most likely never be fixed. If it could be fixed it would have been so ages ago.

Coming from someone with an itchy comma finger...

And this might be helpful for the future:

http://www3.telus.net/linguisticsiss...anAmerican.htm

Well I can see your not going to take me up on my offer to just PM me when you have issues with me or my spelling..

So this will be my last reply to you, in that your attackes of me are just draggin this thread into the mud

Well I guess that is good news..

Let me guess your an english teacher?

If so I can understand why your so upset..

Just know that your wrong to assume someone is unintelligent just because they are not good at one thing or another..

For example, I have a degree in engineering..

In short, I am good at math and physics and the like..

Spelling was allways my short comming in life.

Which is why I am not an English major! ;)

Come on lads...bitching and moaning about the game is normal around here..

but personal attacks on each other?

sort it out...just stop posting, if one of you cant and does still post the other shouldn't feel the need to answer..just leave it and carry on

ROFL:lol:.......man I'm not an English teacher,I'm only a bloody fireman,but I can speak English,if you're going to slag off guys on this forum,and what they comment on then please speak in a language we can all understand!

What part of "take it to PM" don't you people understand? Do you really need to urinate on each other verbally in front of other, less deranged people?

Please use this "http://www.jspell.com/public-spell-checker.html" and end the discussion.

:grin:

Actually I think it should be 'your dislike of me'. Not 'you're dislike of me'. But all very entertaining nonetheless. :-D

Spelling and Grammar are be fixed in teh next beta patch. :D

Now that's funny!

Hehe......,yes,this is going to be released in 2022,just prior to all the in game bugs being fixed;)

May not be around here much, if this is the way the Members act!

And, yes, another hot day---------104F to be exact!

If someone wants to fight...go to ATAG...and fight in the sky..not in the forum.

Do you really believe that answering someone in this fashion has given them a decent response? What you are doing, in short, is giving people your opinion, but failing to see that people are not interested in what you have to say. People have there own opinions and you're not going to change that by challenging them with a few choice words that amount to nothing.

This is the last thing I will say on this matter.

A good spell checker

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...pBall/spec.jpg

Meh....you can't really discuss the game's faults with Ace. It's pointless. If you were to complain about the missing radio commands, he would tell you that his radio commands are all there and functioning fine. It's that blind biased devotion that makes a conversation with him about improving the game an act of futility.

Yes.. Not only decent, but complete! In that I addressed each and every point they brought up in their post. Personally I think that is the only way to respond back to someone.. That is to say I don't pick and choose which points to respond to, I address them all.

Which is no different then anyone else here..

Difference is I address each point one by one

That is your opinion and your welcome to it, just know that I and many others don't agree with you

Right back at ya!

Promise?

Now here is an example of where I am going to say something that is not my opinion, but fact

Force10 is lying when he says that I would say the radio commands are all functioning fine

And for those who may doubt it, take note that Force10 fail to provide a link to a quote of me saying that

This is a typical tactic of his sort, where they don't have a leg to stand on wrt to their arguments, so they have to resort to one of two things

1) Attack the messenger
2) Flat out lie

In this case Force10 is going with case 2

There are plenty of things wrong with CoD that need fixing, which I have said many times!

The fact that Force10 and his lot have to resort to lies speaks volumns about how weak thier arguments are

Coming back into the forums for an update
 

Coming back into the forums for an update to find nothing here but twits being twits and what a load of twaddle there is.

" It's great " LMAO !!! :grin:

Yeah...we're gonna miss the pure gold you brought to the forums

I especially like that last part...Welcome back!

As only the "haters" get admonished for their behavior and others are allowed to continue to chant the party line in less than polite fashion, instead of locking this thread as was suggested earlier, why not lock the friggin forum and be done with it?

There are no haters here, haters would have gone long ago.

What we have here are more or less misguided lovers of CoD only.

Or those of us that long ago accepted that this is going to be a loooong road without a perfect ending.

Well if you feel that way you could always leave and not come back... I mean if you hate this forum so much?

Have to agree robtek, but why have so many been misguided.

patience, simply those with more patience :)

if 1c/MG are still working on patches (albeit very slowly) and are also working on a sequel (which process has to address most CoD faults/complaints at the same time) then it means the ship is still going forward, and we have hope of a fixed/working product at the end of this process. at least somebody is doing SOMETHING to fix it and produce a working product. since they cant row faster then they currently are (with their limited team), constantly throwing beer cans and insults at them is rather counter productive.

one thing many people here seem to forget is that there are so many current problems in CoD exactly because it was such an ambitious project, and it is the depth and complexity of the game and gfx engine at the heart of the sim that is creating these multiple problems. personally i am happier that they overshot their mark with great ambition, rather then have them produce some dumbded down and limited product (which would have been easier to make).

in the other camp we have the same small clique of whiners and haters (and the odd new lost spotty faced tween who wonders in) who seem to believe that yelling loudly or constantly whining will magically solve things, and those same people are NOT seen providing constructive feedback in bug report threads or participation in reasoned debated to try and improve things.

the one aspect that blame can be correctly given to luthiers team, even if we know that they have limited resources and people, is that there isnt some hierarchy in priority bug fixes being addressed that deal with gameplay bugs that can be relatively easily fixed (and which would significantly reduce the volume of complaints), eg the "lack of COOP" issue, AI team commands, some specific control/instrument issues in some planes, lack of AI ground activity at airfields, allow some basic campaign function offline/online etc..

Well put +1

+ 1,000,000,000

well.. it's friday again..

Oh gawd. Not again.:rolleyes:

It would seem getting the graphics engine to work correctly to be at the top of the list (hierachy), for all future movements forward, it appears, would depend on that... and it appears it is at the top of the list (with a few little things along the way ;) )

not much point in a co-op, if the graphics don't work eh?
not much point in effective AI, in the air or on the ground, if the graphics don't work properly, eh?
not much point in moving forward, if the graphics isn't working properly, eh??

I find it not that bad really, especially since my system is not that top notch.
On Mid/High settings with an FSAA mod, I managed to get a fairly smooth game on ATAG last night.
Main thing I'm waiting for is the Anti Aliasing and the Launcher crashes to be repaired.

I'm Running

AMD Athlon II x2 215 Processor,
4 GB RAM,
ATI Radeon HD 5850
Windows 7 x64

Yes I know I'm missing an i7 :-)

Oh Hell yeah!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

I hope he'll yeah cause if he'll no, I'll be very disappointed and yell, "Hell no" instead of "Hell yeah." :)

This next iteration of the patch, will it a final beta for customer testing prior to the release of a 'retail' patch that'll be available via steam or will it be a 'retail' patch?

Will be Today ALPHA PATCH? Or update about the weather on Alaska?

Retread patch I think. Twiddle the knobs a bit, no real changes.

Ah... this is friday... need some aspirin and vokda to prevent a serious headache and bad mood......

Well if you are after the latter then here you go.

Friday update for _YoYo_

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=al...&client=safari

Here you go. This should help

http://www.doheth.co.uk/funny/galler...ts/Fukitol.jpg

Friday update is near. I can see good news coming. I am sooooooo excited

and the vodka ? too far away from your habbit ?

Holly crap, that hurts!:shock:

children driving cars?

with seat belts off!

I'm really-really expecting a patch for today from MG.. :rolleyes:

A bit of advance notice, just to be fair.

No matter the state of the update today (no update or text/pics update or patch update), let me urge everyone to discuss what is posted by Blacksix and not use the thread for their personal venting. And by urge, i mean the thread will be closely moderated. In case of off-topic posts, bickering or dueling between users, infractions will be issued and the offending posts moved or deleted.

It's been quite a while since the forum rules have been applied as they are meant to be applied because things were civilized for the most part. If it strays from that and people start acting crazy again, well, there's not much i can do to save someone who doesn't want to be saved ;)

Can we run a poll?

Who here would ask Rebecca Black on a date?

Wow, we're all getting a bit nervy. I can feel the tension building. The boss has lined us up and given us a right ole talking to.

Yes Sir, I will not misbehave if there is no patch. May I be excused. I would like to go to the toilet. :)

No person in this forum made them release the game in such a state in the first place and many reasonable people have lost their patience because it still isn't fixed a year and a half after release. Most reasonable people are only reasonable up until a point.

I think people are well aware that there are many problems and I think that is why some people are starting to "throw beer cans" as you put it. But you must realise that people bought into this game mainly because they where told about the depth and realism of the game etc. What I don't think they expected though was for it to have so many bugs after all this time.

No, you have (had) reasonable people who just got fed up, like most reasonable people do when they feel like they are been taken for a ride. People are only reasonable up until to a point because they are not blessed with the patience of a saint. Everyone has a point they get to before they get sick and fed up.

Yes you are right.

I notice your registration date is March 2012.

Your right it was no 'one person' but If you go back a year or so and read the posts you'll see that Maddox Games and 1C were placed under quite a significant amount of pressure from the community to release the game in whatever state it was in.

Things have quietend down round hear since the headdy days of early March 20-11! ;)

Yep.The fine chaps at 1c were just about to put the last touches on the awesomenest combat flightsim evar when the pressure by the community forced them to release an unfinished, universally trashed piece of buggy entertainment software. That's exactly how I remember it. Dozens of threads with titles like "We don't care about FSAA!!" and "We don't worry about the performance, really!" basically littered the forum.

Be sure.