Unless the language barrier is muddying thing up something fierce, the easiest interpretation of this alongside "don't wait for final" is "You'll get a patch, if by patch you mean pay for the integrated sequel, LOL", Black Shark 2 style. Or at the very least, "we can't be bothered with proper CloD patches until BoM is out"

I hope that it's just me that gets that impression. I wonder when the guys telling BS what he can and can't say will realise that "need to know" method of marketing hasn't been cool with customers where any product is concerned for decades. Thanks for the info & updates anyway BlackSix.

One more time. I said that maybe this year will be released the beta version of the patch. Maybe. The final version of the patch this year will not appear. We have not stopped working on CloD.

Message received and understood. Patch is on its way, but there's no estimated time of arrival. Work is continuing and will continue into the new year.

Let's all of us calm down and let things fall where they may. No forum post is going to change what happens.

I've more than gotten my money's worth out of the game from playing online ANYway. If I'd gone to the movies for as many hours as I've played Cliffs of Dover I'd be into $100's of dollars in tickets. Hopefully that's the same for the majority. If you're one of the ones who can't play the game due to it not being ready yet, I feel for you. It's not right. But there are bigger fish to fry in life. It's a pretty good life if a $50 game not working right is a serious enough problem that it gets you this worked up.

Thread clean up again.
If you want to argue amongst yourselves go elsewhere.

Lol, you've been reading and hanging around here too long m8

Good to know the traditional schedule has not changed.

"2 weeks" but perhaps not "be sure" :D

Thanks BlackSix.

You know, some of those posts take a fair amount of time to compose...

And please take a deep breath BlackSix and don't let all the comments regarding "the sky is falling down" by a few users here get to you...

Here is a favorite that I always think of when the "prophets" go wild...

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6116/prophetn.jpg

I remember that half of the Americans did not recognize the guy in the strip a year ago, but I guess that has changed after Spielberg put his teeth into Tintin ;)

Really, a quote from Sherlock Holmes of Conan Doyle had to be cleaned ? ... censorship is a slippery downward slope ...

It's not that we think the sky is falling down, it's just that it's raining and we like to have a moan, and the man on the door of the umbrella shop won't tell us when the shop is going to open because he doesn't know, and the last time the shop gave us an umbrella it was pretty good, maybe leaked a bit but did a good enough job that we were happy, but after an hour it collapsed and covered you in water and then you had to open it again every single time, so no matter what you did you got soaking wet eventually, and then the man on the door of the shop started saying stuff about raincoats and how the umbrellas are out of stock until January at least, and they might be out of stock for even longer for some undisclosed reason, and we didn't really want raincoats at all because we already bought an umbrella, and really we just wanted a good umbrella for cryin' out loud. Also I like analogies too much.

Awesome analogy man! I feel all wet. :)

Well, following that analogy it's long due for some people here to move from the UK to a sunnier place if the rain is bothering you? ;) This is more like when people bang the gong because the meteorologists promised sunshine in two weeks but it's still raining. They are the most qualified for the task and try to make their best guess using a lot of experience and complex software. Still people get really pissed cause they tried and failed... :)

Well, that's okay if the weatherman doesn't charge me for the pleasure of his inaccurate forecasting, tell me that he'll fix his method for me, fix bits but break others, go quiet for a few months, then expect me to pay again for his new and improved method after he told me that the last one was really great in the first place, and tell me that he might fix the old method but he doesn't know when. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to wait because CloD has the potential to be a really good game, I'd just rather know exactly what is going on rather than being told the vaguest shadow of actual events, especially when I'm trying to decide whether or not there's any point in continuing to support the game's development by buying the sequel. It's all very well allowing BS to communicate with us about what is happening in the game's development, but there's not much point if he's not allowed to actually tell us anything about the progress of development and what the nature of the trials the developers are experiencing are. Good communication isn't just telling us the good parts and being evasive about the rest.

You are really pissed off over the amount of money the game costs? I can't count the number of terrible movies I've gone to, spending $25 for the ticket plus some snacks that only lasts the 1.5 hours that the movie runs in the 1st place.

I'm sorry, but all I can do is laugh at the "omg they screwed me" comments. Some people must live in a bubble in society.

I suspect the frustration is not about the money spent.
The investment of time (a precious commodity to those with jobs, families, social obligations etc etc ... ) in order to set up and learn the game and a passion for the genre are the things that create these feelings.

Just my opinion :)

Ey!:mad:

Personally I dont care about money spent (OK I must care a bit since Im living in a xxxxxxxxxx where the mans work worth nothing). Its...I was expecting an improvement (comparing to original iL2). Currently I cant even play this sim (online) without performance issues and I dont have an ancient PC. Even if they succeed in optimisaiton task we would probably still need to "deal" with ghost trees, too vivid colors on landscape, small maps, lack of content and features, lack of proper communications (currently wer deadling with investigations on sukhoi.ru and babelfish translators).....I hope for the best...

Tvrdi I agree with you.

rgr.

Nice one! ...+1

Mm...kinda agree. I have hope but when you see the mammoth task that MG have to even make CloD a release worthy game then one might feel a little gloomy. Hoping for the best though, alway will.

But if the projector broke 2/3 through the movie, you would ask for your money back wouldn't you? Well, maybe you wouldn't, because it's obvious that people who compare flight simulations to movies just don't have a clue. That's what we got here, 2/3 of a sim. If that. I haven't even gotten an hour of enjoyment out of this sim yet for my $50 because it's just plain broken. Now instead of patching the remaining 1/3 that will make this playable, they want more money to deliver what was expected and/or promised. Ummmm....No.

They do?

Odd, I didn't read that anywhere.

The "big patch" or whatever you want to call it will arrive well before any expansions to the current sim come on stream.

Now if it's dynamic weather you are on about then yeah, that is much further out and will be after the release of BfM.

Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

But if you must toss your toys out of the pram, go right ahead.

lol..

Again....

Were never see eye to eye so the whole 'throw yer dummy out' and 'this is a waste of money' rubbish will just go back n fourth

the 2 sides will NEVER EVER agree with one another yet will still fill this forum with garbage

Why if someone says that they have wasted money the fanbois cant just agree that that is their judgement and their opinion

The title is going to be fixed or will certainly get better in time for all those who think they have 'wasted' their money..

QUOTE:Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand UNQUOTE

and i dont see why its so hard to understand and just agree the game 'wassssss' broken..

let people have there views without jumping on them

and yes

£50 is a lot to some people..if they are pi$$ed let them be, let them vent..your happy with the release so no need to comment

this place is like a stuck record

It's just funny how people overlook the obvious. I popped online real quick last night to see how many folks were playing online. You probably know the answer, about 12. For a game that supposedly supports 128 I have never seen more than a dozen people or so playing online, thats in the whole world. Doesn't that tell you something? This speaks volumes that the community has spoken and this is not the sim of the future yet. With a zero immersion single player experience(no ranks,medals, etc.) and only the CLOD faithful flying online, a sequel at this point will fail. They need to add the features they are planning for the sequel to CLOD first, then treat the sequel as an expansion with new planes,theater, etc.

Umm, I'd suggest taking a reading and comprehension class. I'd say it's you that doesn't have a clue. The analogy I was making, which should be clearly obvious to an individual that can read the English language, is that we've all wasted money on things that "promised to deliver", and some of those promises only last a little over an hour of supposed enjoyment. And a movie with snacks that only lasts roughly 1.5 hours can cost you 1/2 of the price of a sim that will continue to be updated, improved, and fixed. (Hopefully this will spell out my original post)

But instead of throwing a teenage tantrum because the money I spent on a sim, one that will be fixed, one that is going down the same road of the old IL2, isn't working at 100% yet, is laughable. You're entitled to your own opinions, of course.

Then you speak of online. There's usually more people online in IL2COD than any other online flight sim out there besides the old IL2 that has a 10 year old built up community behind it. So with your thinking all these other sims like ROF and DCS/A10 complete crap as well? I'd say with IL2COD coming in 2nd most of the time, only compared to the original IL2, I'd say there's many people out there like me, who are having a very good time with this sim, even in it's buggy state.

I'm not sure why the "waste of money, and will never amount to anything" crowd are still here.

I´m not sure why this thread still has the title fresh from russia when it contains welked stuff from all over europe (incl. the opener imhho) :)

+1

Clarify, plz :-D

+1
very good post!

We need to fully resume work on all tasks at the beginning of next week. Time of appearance of a patch or a beta version of the patch is not yet available.

Thanks B6, much appreciated.

Thanks for the good news B6 :)

Thanks for the info B6.
Does this mean that the "problem" you encountered that was holding everything up has been resolved ?

If so that is good news indeed.:grin:

Thanks B6! I'm pretty sure now of the nature of the "issue" which stopped the work:

Your Human Resources Dept. saw the crazy amount of paid holidays not yet used by the CloD team, and obliged them to consume them all before the end of the year, to avoid paying a fortune ... :-)

:D lol nice one dude

Hehe ... that sounds like the company I'm working for. Despite the usual end-of-the-year-madness we all have to use up our vacation days before December 31 ... :-P

BlackSix ... Last week you were talking about a "Mission Designer Manual" concentrating on the historical facts. Have you any news about that, yet?

Hi Thor

I will PM you about this, I'm in discussion with B6 as it needs 3-4 way dialogue with a good interpreter, I did ask one other Russian member here who flatly refused due to the massive amount of translation needed.
In particular the eccentricities that can get lost in translation when dealing with non specific English/German characters or words, somethings just don't translate at all.

Its not just collating the information its getting it correctly translated and understood.

;)

The RoF developers have a system whereby they post stuff they want translated on their forum, and native speakers of the forum translate sections into the particular language required (German, Spanish, English, French etc) Could such a system work here?

I hope they are working hard on making the game FUN to play, because I am still not compelled to even open it..there's nothing to do.

Get online on the ATAG server - plenty to do...

+1

There are quick offline missione for instant dogfight or bomber shoot out, or user created missions, sometimes re-enactment of historical feats. You have the Desastersoft career (paid content), again offline. Then there is the online fun, possibly with Teamspeak together. Today there will be the Bomber Night on ATAG, actually a series of mega missions Il2-style. Plenty to do for a serious combats flight simmer.

Multiplayer is definitely fun, singleplayer not so, thanks to the AI.

S!

While single player lacks a LOT, online is not that much better before mission and map makers get the SDK so we could get a lot more missions etc. ATAG is one of the best server around, lots of fun if people would do something else than just vulch planes at fields. I sure understand why the blues want to vulch the Sissyfire II's but in general it is just pathetic in my books. Sure it would easy to establish a CAP over a field and just pop anyone foolish enough to spawn, then head home and boast with the "kills". Not my thing..I rather have the dance up in the sky, much better than just shooting fish in a barrel :)

I always have to laugh when someone calls the Spit II a "sissy" plane. Especially E4 jocks who have the best plane, with best guns, and the most ammo in the sim.

It they were "real men" and not "sissys" they would be in E1s, then we would see who the real pilots are, and not just the best artillery men.

:rolleyes:

Well, in my opinion, anyone who isn't flying the G.50 is by definition a sissy.

That's a fair cop.

:grin:

In real life not in the sim I must add... :rolleyes:

Glad I am not a sissy my main ride, when I am not bombing, is the E1. :-P

Heh.

I don't fly Blue that often, but when I do it's usually in the G.50 or the E1.
The EI has a ton of ammo. Wow.

Now if the Cr.42 was made flyable, it would be nothing but (vintage Classico Reserva) Chianti, pasta primavera, and open cockpits for this flying Pig.

In all seriousness, all the planes have advantages and dis-advantages in varying proportion. Even the two "uber planes" of the set, the E4 and Spit IIa are really far from "uber" and both die with regularity.

The tactics used to employ them are far more important.

S!

I call it Sissyfire, done so for ages. And if you lose to a Bf109E-4, if engaging from same alt and E, in the game at it's CURRENT state then should fly something else. Sissyfire II outperforms Bf109E-4 easily and if you are even an average shooter you get a lot of critical hits on a Bf109E with those 8 x .303cal at convergence.

I fly mostly 110 these days and in that crate can not outfly nor outperform anyone except maybe bombers. Still manage to get a fair share of targets down and even return home in one piece. It calls for planning and SA when going for the attack :)

On ATAG it is fun and the Bomber Night even more so. Can't wait to get the GFX update and at some point the physics/FM/DM updates to CoD. Then we have a true gem :)

Cliffs of Dover = Planeset Discussion Reloaded :rolleyes:

Yes, the E1 is my favorite 109, insane ammo amount and pretty effective with adjusted convergence. Can't stand the slow rate of fire on the other 109's.

Wait...people actually think the E-4 is uber?
Lol!
Depending on the source its from 30-50kph too slow!
Uber my hind end. It's sad that the FM' s are in their current state. Half the reason I spend more time in Spits v 109's now.

equal energy states the spit 2 is far and away a much better plane.
So far ahead its not even worth talking about, if you cant see that you are either a idiot or a arse.

A. There are almost no Spit IIs to fly.

B. I've put up with you lying/propagandist Luftwhiners for ten freaking years.
We all know your game, no sense trying to even hide your intent.

C. In the current iteration there is no RAF aircraft that can compete with the E4, any advantage the Spitfire should have is simply not there, except for the IIa, which of course is limited to FOUR aircraft on ONE server.

D. Now you guys are gaming the game and using the autopilot on the Bf 110 to achieve speeds without overheat that are totally unrealistic.


Go cry me a river.

He, he, he, sorry ElAurens, please do not fall into the trap and take the stupidity xxxxx wrote for real (I had an excellent discussion with him in the other forum).

This ME110 autopilot achievement is complete rubbish that somebody with absolutely no knowledge of Blue planes (xxxxx's own words) wrote.
I know, because I was the pilot flying the ME110 on course-autopilot. Point.

So let us be careful and avoid building towers in the sand when there is no factual information behind...

I regret I was not fast enough stopping the culprit in his tracks thus you became victim of his missinformation.

~S~

No really, gimme a break, we don't need a blue vs. red querelle now! Everyone is complaining, so it's not so unbalanced.

I know, arent we terrible for wanting a sim that resembels reality?!

Come on dude, read a freakin technical release/study from Messerschmitt/RLM regarding 109 performance.
Besides in game the E-4 and E-3 perform pretty much the same. No real winner between those two.

S!

El Aurens, to answer your claims in a friendly manner..


A. 5 of them at start of mission. Giving more of them, say 10-20 would totally ruin the server. Like flying a stock Bf109G-6 against Sissy IX 25lbs on 1946 :rolleyes:

B. Pot blaming the kettle I say on this. I dare to say there are very few players that can look at things without emotional attachment to their favorite plane and it's performance related to the opponent.

C. Sissy II is more than capable of trashing Bf109E-3/4. Sissy I/Ia are a bit strange as I regard the Rotol Hurricane far more deadly. Clearly a FM check is needed on ALL planes.

D. Autopilot giving me more speed? Grathos pointed out this is false information. And again, can not outfly Hurricanes or Sissies in my Bf110C-4/7. Has no magic button or boost.

This neverending blue vs red is boring to be honest. If someone would make a sim with parameters as close to RL as possible even then someone would complain if losing to a so called "inferior plane". People should forget the books and all that when flying a GAME without ANY penalties except maybe a hurt ePeen or ego.

Hahaha, I've never quite understood why people are afraid of the E-4. It's the same flight model as the E-3 except with automatic pitch. It actually doesn't climb as well due to the automatic prop.

Allied pilots think they need the Spit 2a which completely outperforms the 109 in every aspect just to be on a "level playing field"?

I hate this community sometimes.

Well its going to be a mess until they get the FMs closer to where they should be. Meantime, having Spit Is underperforming more than the 109s underperform leaves the RAF with nothing that approaches a sensible situation and they always have one arm tied behind their back. The Rotol Hurri doesn't quite make up for it due to its poorer handling. Having a handful of Spit IIa thrown in (just try to get your hands on one!) goes some way to making us feel a little better, it's just unfortunate for the 109s that run into them, like its unfortunate for the Spit Is that run into the E3/E4.

Roll on the FM patch - whenever that will be.

"...there is no RAF aircraft that can compete with the E4..."
are you serious?you are joking right?
we all know that all the planes in clod are not modeled correctly.there is plenty of stuff to do for devs regarding the FMs.
all planes are underperforming except the spit IIa.so if there is a uber plane, than its obviously the spitIIa.
besides the E4 is nothing better than the E1 or E3 except the Minengeschoss.it has the same performance as the other variants.the only difference is the auto-prop pitch....which in my view is not an advantage but actually a disadvantage as i can handle it manually better than the auto pitch is capable of.

while i consider myself a pretty good online-player, i would never call myself ace-of-aces, but im still pretty successfull.but you know why?its because people who are complaining that the bfs are uber planes, are constantly flying at altitudes below 3k.
so on atag server, i have shot several spit IIas, and not one managed to shoot me yet.but only because they are digging the weeds.
i had some really intensive fights at 5k with good pilots in hurris.and they are really dangerous if they know what to do.so if one would sit in a spitIIa,handle the aircraft correctly and use altitude, than even the most experienced bf pilots wouldnt have a realistical chance to win the fight(1vs1).

"Roll on the FM patch-whenever that will be"
hell yeah,the sooner the better and please as realistic as possible.

Thank you Klem, you said it far better than I did.

Guys, I don't want to start anything, really I don't. However, until the FMs are better sorted, trying to make any type of historical mission is rather pointless, don't you think?

I'm just a very frustrated RAF pilot at this point. From my seat, there is no Mk. I RAF aircraft that is remotely competitive with any of the E series birds, with the exception of the Rotol Hurricane at very low levels.

Those of you who fly E models all the time should take ATAG_Bliss's suggestion to fly a Mk. I RAF aircraft for a month. Then you would see where we are at.

I'm going to be taking a break from the forums for a while as it is pointless to discuss anything till the FMs and overall game performance are better sorted.

Have a Merry Christmas all, see you in the New Year.

This discussion is so funny, it's like everybody's talking to themselves and nobody's listening to each other, great show! keep it up!

I can buy that... It seems reasonable enough. Never understood why the hell red people are complaining against E4's... The most porked fighter in the sim is the Spit Ia.

Total necro-post but: Not at all, we're pissed off with the inconsistent nature of the communication made to us so far. Hopefully now that BlackSix is here the situation can be rectified in some way, but I doubt that it will be if he is not allowed to discuss 90% of what's going on like it seems so far. I don't mind wasting £whateveritwas on a buggy sim, but I'd rather not be told it would be fixed and waste loads of time waiting for patches or buying hardware to try and improve the performance of the sim if they never bother to get round to any of the other glaring issues in the next few months. I mean, surely the memory leak was at least worth a hotfix since we've been waiting since mid-October.

Nice to see that the thread has now otherwise degenerated into the standard red vs. blue flamefest. :-P

Here's an idea for you. Find something else to do and stop wasting your time. Play some IL2/46. Play some RoF. Go outside.

OF COURSE! I never do any the things you suggest in all the rest of the time that these few two minute posts every two weeks are not taking up! My huuuuge post count over the last few months SURELY indicates that I am a complete basement dweller. Thank you so much for enlightening me! :rolleyes:


How about you allow me to have an opinion about the communication this developer has with its customers without being told that I'm a sad bastard with no life for said opinion being negative?

I'm just trying to help. If you find something else to do you won't be so upset about a GAME. I'm playing lots of RoF while I wait, and I'm not upset about CoD at all. Give it a try.

So what new information do you guys have from sukhoi.ru?
Thats what this thread is for.

Just lurched in the Sukhoi forum. The community there is complaining big time against Ilya for the lack of information and the absurd secrecy about the "unknown issue" blocking all activities. Someone speaks about a travel of Ilya to the US as linked to the blocking issue. Time to send them some of our forum policemen ... :).

Other complains in the sukhoi forum:

no news about "contact visibility" issue
no news about "far clouds"
no news about "fps increase"
no news about "surprise feature that no other sim has"
no news about the Launcher.exe crash
no news about the beta test of the new gfx engine

And so on. The poor B6 can only answer "Sorry I'm waiting information from Ilya", or "I'm not authorized to answer this question".

Nerves are tensing over there.

Cheers!

S!

Well the launcher.exe issue was related to an old piece of code in the GFX engine as we could read from Luthier some time ago. I do not envy B6 at all. Just have to remain patient and wait for the word.

How relieving to hear that we (westerners) are not the only bad boys complaining and losing their temper sometimes... :D

Poor Ilya, I do not envy him. Neither of course Black6...

~S~

We should send AoA over there to straight em up!! :lol:

He would bore them to death. :)

Wrong, he would multi-quote them to death.

Let it go.. before you three pop something you need! :o

Really.. I guess that could be good or bad? Keeping fingers crossed!

B6 has denied any relationship between the travel and the stop. He keeps saying that's an internal problem, which will never be unveiled by the way.

Ilya lived and worked in the States for many years, he's probably there to visit family and/or friends or something.

Ilya travels between the states and Moscow regularly. This is all normal.

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

LOL... that was actually funny! :D
had a great Sunday evening - SvAF had it's now annual squadron competition.... 3 hours of nerve wrecking js/rudder twitching
Guys.. Il2: 1946 is still a hoot and can definately keep us occupied until we have a breakthrough with Clod...... join in

lol:)

Lets hope your glass is full this holiday :)

Merry Christmas

Howdy luthier - did you jump online for the ATAG bomber's weekend? Good fun and good to see a few people on the server.

Hi luthier. Can you tell us what is going on then to kill off the silly rumours?

Did he just say that he likes it in here and thinks we're a nice bunch...relatively!? :-D
A merry christmas to you!

R.O.F.L.!

That was some really good laugh, after the Ubi-zoo experience, reading this, it makes me regret I do not speak Russian!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh Luthier, I may quote you one day!

Merry Christmas!


~S~

PS. Vengeanze, nice post. You are right, I think he loves us! :D

thank you luthier, so we are not so bad at all? :grin: wish you a merry christmas and good work.

p.s.
to who said this is the worst forum and we are the worst users..

http://cdn.blogosfere.it/calciomalat...pernacchia.jpg

Tears of laughter are rolling down my cheeks at this very moment! or it could be because of the cement dust from the retaining wall I'm building!

Either way LOL!

A Very Merry Christmas to the the development team and everyone else on the forum!

Lmao,

Merry Xmas MG hope everything goes smoother for you next year ;)

Just fix the game...and spent your precious free time for posting infos rather than THIS (in the quote)...... ppl are disappointed with reason...I spent 50 dollars for this game just to receive an alpha state game which (still, to this day) is not working properly (performance wise) on my modern rig. As a beta tester of various games (and sims) I did everything to optimise my system for CLOD. So when we will se improvements in optimisation of the game engine? Will we still have a slowdowns when effects are near (dust, explosions etc.) or this is on the fix list? Like I said earlier, I hope for the best, its in my interest that you succeed in this task...btw, why dont you ask for open beta team....here?? Let us help...

Come on Tvrdi, the game will be fixed and then you can vulch in CoD just like you do in RoF :P

Hah...we have big maps and good missions (with heavy bombers and two seaters) in ROF MP (syndicate server) so the "vulching" is allowed....and its historical as you know hehe. BTW, from now on, Im only on Syndicate since they have fuel loadouts locked, no kill messages (the biggest step towards realism and immersion) and good missions on big maps.
Knowing you it was probabaly just a tease, but its interesting you see me as vulcher, out of all ppl there...its a bit comical as Im one of the few guys who would let you land if your badly damaged or with dead engine...in fact its what we at IRFC do every night. When we can. But let me tell you...If im in a dogfight with 3 or more albatroses....I wont have any mercy if I see one damaged fleeing the fight.

On topic. Krupi, we dont know if 1C will fix anything. No promise can be given. If they succeed, this will not go fast or without issues since wer talking about complete rework/optimising the GAME ENGINE.

Salutado!

Only messing around, ATAG have the same setup vulching is allowed so its more of a personal choice. I think most ppl have had a pop at the easy target when they don't think they have a long time left. I.e. in a 110 over hawkinge with four spit mk2s chasing u, who wouldn't try and have a pop at that spit taking off ;) but normally I give them a few minutes to gain alt and speed before engaging.

But back on topic, yes they can't promise anything but I am 100% certain the game will be running fine at some point.

Aaaah......so it was you Krupi that shot at me whilst getting airborne,lol.

Seriously though I don't mind it at all,it makes it that more of a challenge for me IMO anyway to get 'one up' and come after the invader who's having a cheeky pop at you whilst your getting airborne.

......And of course that more satisfying when,or if you eventually catch and shoot down your assailant;)

Thanks Blacksix, here's one from me:

15. Will the AI crews of bombers be programed to do their jobs? Will navigators navigate. Will bomb aimers guide the aircraft into the bomb run. Will observers report air and surface contacts etc? Or are the current crew statues considered to be adequate?