i thought that the first addon will be Korea? no?

Good interview :P

We heard about "Battle for Moscow" as possible next add-on during Igromir 2010...

Korea may appear later...

++

sniv

Both those addons are by third parties although Luthier is much more than a third party now.

The question is what is Oleg going to do next.

A long holiday somewhere remote with no internet or telephone would be my guess! ;)

The only thing that would raise my eyebrows, would be a civilian add on.:grin:

Were the system specs posted for this yet? Oh and Hey! Im new :)

Yeah. Views of the new Mission Editor/ Builder were shown in a recent update.

B

I was getting worried reading through these pages ... ;)

Boredom beyond belief.

Yep...but still the only one that would surprise me.:grin:

True enough.

Unless Oleg has decided to do WW1, with proper DMs and real ground objects and a world that feels alive.

:cool:

With the current level of fidelity? It would just be boredom (or boredom with belief).

The landscape details and flight modeling should add a lot to civilian flight (and if Oleg incorporates cargo loading and unloading animations and a navigator who actually says things...)

I have to admit I am very curious about the Sukhoi 26 that will be in the game. (I hope it still is).

It will be interesting on several levels. One, as proof of the game engine and FM/physics modeling, as the SU 26 is probably one of the most understood aircraft around, and, it will be a hoot to take the 26 against folks in armed aircraft and see if they can lay a glove on it.

;)

Yes, that one aircraft and the hordes of MS fans out there. Causes me to think civilian is a strong possibility direction for the engine...early add on that is:grin:

I wonder if Oleg gave the Su-26 a damage model?

Maby Battle of France, pre. BoB?

Would be great, but would require modeling a large number of never done French aircraft, that could be quite time consuming.

On the upside we would have a high fidelity Curtiss Hawk 75, and that is a good thing.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/P-36/Hawk...ce-1939-12.jpg

http://100letaviatiky.cz/content/wys...m/1_hawk75.jpg

i don't think so, not enough interest from a monetary standpoint. They will leave the small theaters to third parties and concentrate on the larger theaters. I know BOB wasn't a large theater but they had a game engine to build as well as the theater, so BOB was a perfect, recognizable, small early war theater to start off at.

I used to think there was an 80% chance it would be the Med, but I have no clue now. Unless they decide to work with the third party doing IL-2 Battle for Moscow and expand it into a more complete Russian theater.

dammit this schtuff is exciting....I think I just got Wooooooood

well gents, time has come to make the legend come true. i've been saving my first post for this, for quite some years now...

so we'll all be happier soon. maybe broker, but happy! three cheers for Oleg and his crew! see you guys online!!!

'Jatta Raso' AKA 'UFO113'

http://img232.imageshack.us/f/signaturesmaller.jpg/

Oleg is always telling us about how flexible and strong is the CoD engine.
I think the truly masterpiece is not the Battle of Britain itself,but what is under the hood,the engine.
My hope is in the future some third party decide to explore early jets not only in the fifties (korea) but in the sixties too (Israel and Vietnam)
It will be amazing to fight in a Mirage III,F4,F8 or Mig21 made in Oleg's standards with the inaccurate early missiles and radars.

That would be cool for the future or a completely different game Viet Nam a Mig 21 :)

I can hear Purple Haze blasting in the headphones now :)

That's the cool thing about Viet Nam it was happening when the best music was happeng.

From a monetary point of view every theatre except Western/Eastern European air war and the Pacific are on the negative side.

I hoped for long that interested could be lifted introducing a less common scenario like the Mediterranean. I'll keep wishing. You never know...

Genuinely laughed out loud :lol: I don't believe you've shot me down, Oktoberfest. But only because you let me join your crew from time to time. Looking forward winging with you in CoD:IL2.

Well of course the mechanics, gameplay and other things are the core and most important foundations for a good game. Its just that when I watched the trailer and saw all the jaggies, I cant help but notice/pay attention to them. A few years ago I would not of cared, now I do since they are no longer present with a good res monitor and AA.

Its like when you buy a HD tv (good one), and watch a HD movie its great. Then you go and watch a 360/240 res youtube video on your new shiny large screen HD tv. It is hard not to be distracted...
Thats why I mentioned it. But like I said the cockpit was spectacular, as was its lighting. I will state the good and the bad as I see it, because I care... :)

I agree 100%. I hope he makes a bucket-loader full of money. I can envision many a scenario arising from this engine.

1C may be the next ID for flight sim games. How many shooters were created from the ID engine? I can only hope for that same success for 1C.

It's not the polish of BoB I'm excited for. It's the possibilities of what lays ahead in the next few years.



My guess for the next installment? Flying Tigers: Manchuria. (Well I can hope, can't I?)

My, you are asleep.. don't go all 'groupie fanboy' on me.. I also like the series.
As there's no concrete confirmation about the type of DRM, I reserve my judgement.. and if it's is the SH5 style of DRM, you can be guaranteed of 12hour emergency meeting
;)

Would be really nice to atleast know some Official Minimum and Recomended System Requirements before it commes out...

Sure you do honey, but Mediterrean first :grin:

Does that mean that we will fly the P40 relatively soon in this series:grin:?

~S~

I've got that warm fuzzy feeling again, lovely. Congratulations Oleg.

I'm sure those system specs you seek will reveal themselves, but not before the intense and time sensitive optimization period the sim will go through. Giving system specs before they're universal is a huge mistake. i'm sure they're aware the next question after "what's the release date"? is "what are the system specs". If you have a 4 year old computer that was mid range back then, it might be time for an upgrade, but who the hell knows. Most sims these days are easily customizable so with the right balance in video options you can obtain decent fps until you can afford that computer upgrade.

I always just assume I will have to run everything on medium and go from there ;)

I'd like to add my own "WOOT", and thanks to Oleg, Ilya and the rest of the crew. You do good work.

It took me a couple of pages to confirm this is in fact the flight sim formerly known as SoW:BoB, and not another addition to the original Il-2 series. Guess I've got to increase my lurking in this forum past the Friday update pages.

It turns out my old graphics card knew more than I did. My BFG 9800GT (DX9) died last week, to be replaced (at cost, as it seems BFG isn't honoring their warranty any more) with a eVGA GTX460 (DX11). The old card took itself out behind the barn, sacrificing itself so that I could enjoy the upcoming CoD in all its DX11 glory.

As soon as I can figure out how to pre-order the collector's edition in the States, I'll sign myself up. To the carpers, know that it won't be perfect on day one. There will be bugs, and perhaps features you don't like. Be ready to submit the bug reports, and to turn off the stuff you don't want to use. Try to keep the criticism constructive, as that will let you vent while still doing us all some good. We're close to the next chapter of 1C flight sims, and it's going to be a good chapter.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." - Winston Churchill

Thanks to Ilya and the crew for persisting and getting this to the final hurdle, lets hope P40s cant carry a 10000lb bomb 20000 mils at 300000 feet :grin:

Phantom

What does it mean by fight against renegade pilots in the first post?

+1 Mediterrean first !!!

But No DRM!!!

Probably another translation error, I think this means fly alongside the Polish/Czech/American/etc pilots who fought with the RAF during the Battle of Britain.

Could also mean the battle of Barking Creek.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Barking_Creek

:confused: :cry:

I really hope something like that's not going to be a regular occurrence.

It would be great if there were Polish squadrons in the game!

Especially 303 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzEkL5n7gXA

Where did you get it? A link, please? Thanks,

This doesn't have much to do with renagades. From my understanding, 'The Battle of Barking Creek' was caused by a systems error on the radar causing the ground controllers to vectored to the Spitfire squadron to the vacinity of a squadron of Hurricanes, The relative inexperience of the pilots involved and not having a positive identification of the targets.

Later in the war I guess they would have refered to the situation as FUBAR.

It did however give the RAF reason to analyse what went wrong and try their best to work out how to avoid a similar thing happening in the future.

Cheers!

Sure.

However it has a lot to do with being bounced by friendlies. I'm just saying that if one mission in ten we get an attempted (AI) friendly fire incident, that would be a horrible thing.

there is a logical next step into that direction however, and that is adding non combat features into the combat sim to make it a more realistic real life world

for ex, ejecting as a pilot over enemy territory should allow you to then land in a field and interact with you environment. climb over a fence, ride a bicicle or steal a parked car/truck. maybe even sneak at night into an enemy airfield and try and pinch an unguarded enemy plane and try and make it home

that scenario doesnt have to go to the absurd level of making SoW/BoB/CoD a 1e person shooter or action game, it just needs to open up the pilot interaction with your environment (for ex enemy guard will only shoot at you if they see you, or if a passing vehicle notices you etc). oleg already added features like being able to open doors on vehicles and planes, moving objects like boxes and bicicles, driving a car, walk around inside a plane etc (many of those not included in CoD first release, but built into the engine to allow later expansion)

in the same vein we should in future be able to fly some supply missions to airfields or troops (eg a non combat aviation mission), do photo reconnaissance and have our photo's available in the mission briefing rooms for other squad mates to view and plan a mission, etc. some myopic combat aviation purists might not get the point (and choose not so fly those missions etc should it become available, which is fine), but it would open up interest from a whole new range of customers who otherwise might not buy the sim (for ex ms-fs-9/10 users etc). whatever expansion in that direction i just mentioned, should of course be in context of the combat flightsim product this game is, but there is lots more to expand into rather then just shoot'emup and bomb the crap out of something for yrs on end

I also know there were a number of FF incidents during the battle due to fatigue and stress.

excellent news on the close release date !!

big thanks to oleg and crew for their hard work and perseverance :)

even a cloth map in the special edition release, AND a ring binder pilots manual, nice job !! cant wait to get my copy :)

Check any online dictionary for the word "renegade" and you will see that this word has been used in error and doesn't convey any significance.
It may possibly be a horrible mistranslation concerning pilots from Axis-occupied countries who escaped to England to fight on. Poles, Czechs, French, Belgians etc. might possibly have been portrayed as renegades in Nazi propaganda, but otherwise there is little connection.

As far as friendly fire incidents are concerned, the"Battle of Barking Creek" was a horrible accident waiting to happen. Whether it would be modelled as a recurring threat in the game is an interesting question, though I can't see why it should happen. More interesting is whether (and how often) you might make the same mistake yourself? ;)
Identification Friend [or] Foe (IFF) protocols were really tightened up after the aforementioned incident. The universal fitting of IFF beacons was hurriedly completed and everyone from pilots to plotters learnt from the mistake. That's not to say that further accidents didn't happen in the heat of battle - but the incidents were few and far between after Barking Creek.
There's no record of anyone changing their loyalties and turning on their comrades - renegade style.

that trailer was quite underwhelming :( still the camera has no human shake or momentum. 80% of the footage is above water...and the time we see land its middle to high altitude. ..and how come they create a trailer that shows the game to the global public on a shitty machine that is not able to apply anti-aliasing? next thing that comes to mind is again the idiotic focus on canned mission design...WTF?!?!?! only a few simheads what to play historic missions with almost no replay value. what would have mattered is that they create a game...as in a dynamic mission creation system like in falcon4 where you as a player fell like you achieve something,....to ignore this important feature is just idiotic. a least there is hope that external tools will build that...but how many casual gamers will invest their time to figure out how a mod works (most mods i know dont really care about intuitive guis and so on).

i will buy this game anyway but i fear that its the same stale gameplay experience like il2. and guys...simulations and gameplay do not contradict themself.

So I pre-ordered the Collectors issue, and I'm looking forward to my souvenir tea-towel and fly-swatter. Hurrah! :)

B

The H75 and H81 which is the P40 variant France recieved has been modeled in another sim for quite a long time. WWW.Battlegroundeurope.com


here is the H75

http://wiki.wwiionline.com/images/5/...fr_hawk_75.jpg

and the H81

http://wiki.wwiionline.com/images/8/...fr_hawk_81.jpg

They also modeled the Dewotine D520

http://wiki.wwiionline.com/images/c/c3/Ac_fr_d-520.jpg

The H87 which is a P40E with 6 fifty cals

http://wiki.wwiionline.com/images/d/d1/H87.jpg

and the P38 Lightening the French ordered as a P322 which has been modeled with counter rotating props.

http://wiki.wwiionline.com/images/1/13/Ac_fr_p-38f.jpg

Ive played this game for 10 years its been out and I am looking forward to playing this new game as well.

Cheers
Reb

because is not actually finished of course you whiner !!

your also right now only seeing the first of many trailers, and quality will rapidly improve in them the closer to release date we get. the good news about this announcement and trailer release is that oleg and ubi is now committed to a specific release date and the project is in its final stage with a fixed deadline (but the final build has not gone "gold"). they still have a month or 2 to squeeze more performance out of their final build, and low altitude scenery quality will be the final proof of the pudding. pressing the cd's for final shipping and packing them into the finished boxes takes a week at max

we have been waiting for months for a final product to be released, and all you can do is complain when we get it ?

It's hard to see how you will enjoy the game with that attitude. You say that you play IL-2 and yet you don't seem to have found any of the thousands of player-created missions and campaigns that are available, or joined any on-line scenarios and teamed up with other pilots.
Anyone can tell you that advertising sucks anyway. Using a five-bladed razor and wearing Lynx deodorant doesn't mean your going to get front seat in a wet T-shirt contest or get laid - but if you can wear a smile too you might just stand a chance. ;)

B

Heres a trailer if you havent seen or herd of this game :)

[youtube]xjcAFjniM1s&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Agree with Zap here, altho i'd say one month then it must be pretty much set for production. But as he says people shouldn't whine to much about the trailer, this is the first trailer, maybe folks should chill and realize that there's still two months left until release and we will get system requirements and more as the progress goes along. Historical battles are of great value as well, many prefer them and not everyone mods or creates missions, the game needs to show what it is @ stock.

Cheers

This I actually agree with, I hope Oleg and team have improved the game aspect of this sim. Gameplay and realism -as above mentioned- CAN go hand in hand. I really love IL-2 always have but only for certain periods of time since it all gets pretty old after a while. Everything from the campaign generator to the interface in IL-2 feels very archaic. There's is no replay value either since it's so predictable especially if you create your own missions -which I do a lot-. Anywho, I'm sure these aspects have been greatly improved in CoD.:)

Oh!, thanks for the link, but I can´t speak polish!

Best,

France never recieved the P40s that were ordered from Curtiss.

The Hawk 75 is already an AI in IL2/46.

And that P 40 model is even worse than the Hawk 87 we currently have.

The RATS over at CRS are currently replacing all the older air models with new ones. They have about 5 of them completed, they are in the middle of an Infantry 3rd person redo and thats taking up most of the Artist time. The Game is not based on the BOB its the BOF and in the game France does not roll over and DIE like in Real life. Thus they get the planes they ordered and I get to fly them.

Will it be available to buy from? steam

Friendly fire is one of the tragedies of any form of warfare, Combat situations would have to be caotic and confused. The 'Battle of Barking Creek' was slightly different.

An error in the radar set swapped around the display so that aircraft comming from the west appeared to be comming from the east. The opperators saw a flight of unidentified aircaft that apeared to be comming in from the east (actually a routine RAF Patrol), they scrambled more RAF planes. As they did the number of planes that appeared to be comming in from the east increased, So they scrammbled more RAF fighters. This soon escalated so that it appeared that there was a massive German raid in progress. (Which everyone was expecting any day at this point)

The RAF fighters converged into a small area and one squadron of Spitfires sighted a Flight of Hurricanes in the location that they were expecting to see the Hostiles. They were all eager to get into the Hun and from memory identification was poblematic due to the conditions.

One of the major upshots of the battle was that the RAF expidited the introduction IFF equipment which was a major help to them in the Battle Of Britain.

Regarding the quality of the trailer,

Could it be possible that the leaked release day hastened the UBI press release. There were a number of ommissions in the official announcement, which have since been fixed up. Maybe the Official Trailer had not been completed and the one posted was hastily put together or taken off the shelf?

Cheers!

I'm confused: is this an update to the existing engine like Pacific Fighters was to IL2, ie. updating the game and adding the Cliffs of Dover to it?

Or is this using a different engine as a stand-alone only install? If so is this the final release form of the Storm of War project?

Thanks to the name Ubi adopted, confusion like this is going to be very common...

IL-2: CoD is going to be a completely new game, new engine, and is stand-alone. It is not an update. It is also completely unrelated to IL-2: WoP.

I think we should make a petition to Ubi to change the name, but it's way too late now I think.

:shock::P:D:lol::D:D:D:D:D

Well, pre order is done here :-P

I'm very disappointed to see how many poeples can have a very bad attitude at this crucial moment that we waited for years...

This soft is fantastic, upgrading the level at a never managed one ! How could you stay grouchy as that ??? Some of us, unfortunately, don't deserve such a work ! :-x

The others are very confident in the Oleg and his team's work, and know that they always do 10 times better than the better competition... And in more, if you want to REALLY know how will be this soft before buy it, please, LOOK FOR ALL YOU CAN KNOW SINCE YEARS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE ALMOST THE INFORMATIONS ARE IN THIS SITE AND A FEW OTHERS !...

Marvellous day is this release date... can't wait !

+1..

The best title for this would have been

From the creators of the Award winning IL2 series:
Storm of War:Cliffs of Dover

Who knows.. maybe there was some legal issue with Storm of War.. but then again .. I was under the impression that UBI would not be the publisher of this... so maybe this is just some UBI pencil pusher marketing BS where some jerk behind a desk who has no clue decided that this would be best... name recognition and all...
Regardless.. though and hopefully inspite of UBI .. this sim will take off.. Ihave already preordered my DD.. and I'll probably get the CE too.. but a little later. I just hope that the CP is decent enough to enable 1C to make some bread.. this sim has been in developement for too long for them to loose but so much to piracy..

I cant imagine that UBI will be able to use the initials CoD or refer to this software as anything other than Cliffs of Dover...given that Call of Duty is an EA game and well established by the CoD moniker. I hear lawyers lurking in the foyer already...

Someone at UBI must enjoy stepping on his own junk -

"IL2 Sturmovik - Seeds of Litigation:Copyright of Doom"

Glad its not my problem - the only thing I'm concerned with is being able to afford the new rig I'm going to need sooner rather than later

Bearcat any chance of a reference for the acronyms

BS - I think we all know this one, but DD, CE CP?

Direct Download, Collector's Edition, Copy Protection I think. :)

only two things count:

1. thanks to oleg n crew. a week ago you told us it would come and it has.

2. the main question has been answered*


get ready to play


*release?

That's nice, but we're talking about CoD here.

You can order the collector's Edition here:

http://www.amazon.de/2-Sturmovic-Cli...dp/B004JM5C62/

BTW, I just ordered three of them... :)

Great! Are these english edition? Do you think thei mail international orders? Danke!

I cannot find the Recommend machine config??? please help, and will multiple screens be supported? and what is the recommended Graphics card? ATI or Nvidia?

Please help, I'm off to buy a computer! (maybe a sandy bridge CPU?)

thanks

He111.

(no specs, annoying, isnt't it)

We can only hope that Oleg touches base with this issue today. And if not him than possibly somebody at Ubisoft or 1c. Right now its just a waiting game.. If i were you i would hold off until the specs are released. Better safe than sorry, thats alot of money to be gambling with.

And i'd like to add: You really don't want to buy something that you possibly have to upgrade in a couple months. Patience is a virtue.

cant find anywhere in the UK to preorder it yet :(

well nowhere that i would trust 100% to get it to me on day of release....

exciting news though.. not long now!

I wonder if there's going to be an update today.

you and everybody else.

Sure, Amazon Deutschland mails stuff everywhere. I'm getting my three copies of the collector's edition to an address in Belgium.

Well it looks like Oleg has been snooping around here earlier today (looked at his profile)... So he should chime in at some point i would hope :) We all miss you Oleg! Come visit us, and bring good news with you!

Flyable machines
 

i wonder what machines can i fly...from what i saw i assume that :

=Luftwaffe=

He-111
Ju-87
Ju-88
Bf-109
Bf-110

=RAF=

Spitfire
Hurricane
DH-82 Tiger Moth
blenheim bomber

=italian airforce=

BR-20 M
Fiat G.50 Freccia


thats 11, not over a dozen. anybody know which machines am i missing ?

FW 44 Stieglitz ?

A sukhoi trainer, Su-28 if I remember well.

Insuber

They probably counted the different variants aswell.

Or they'll surprise us with a flyable Defiant or Do-17 :D.

So the flyables are,

Blenhiem
Hurricane
Spitfire
Tiger Moth

Bf-109
Bf-110
Ju-87
Ju-88
He-111

Br-20 M
G.50

Su-26 (The plane Oleg designed ;))

And the announcement says 13 non-flyables, so,

Anson
Defiant
Gladiator
Sunderland
Wellington

Bf-108
Do-17
Do-215(?)
He-59
He-115

CR-42

Cierva C.30 (Autogyro)(?)

I'm drawing a blank on the other non-flyables.

Also well established by others:

Chemical Oxygen Demand
Cash On Delivery
Call Of Duty (honorary mention)
Capacity On Demand
College of Dupage
Codex
College of the Desert
Cause of Death
Certificate of Deposit
City of Dreams (casino: Melco Crown Entertainment: China)
Circle of Death
Coefficient of Determination
Congress of Democrats (Namibia)
Change of Direction (football)
Concise Oxford Dictionary
Commercial Operation Date
Close of Day
Carrier Onboard Delivery
Crack Opening Displacement
Class of Device (Bluetooth)
Charter of Democracy (Pakistan)
Content on Demand
Catostrophic Optical Damage (semiconductor lasers)
Certificate of Death
Cloak of Darkness (gaming clan)
Coffee of the Day
Close Order Drill (marching)
Click of Death [associated with many M$oft products]
Change of Destination (shipping)

and the list goes on at acronymnfinder.com

Hey the financial crisis is over in late March !

... for me at least ;-)

I think that's a good list you got there, with some minor discrepancies between your memory and mine :grin:
First of all, i think they count different variants as extra flyables. For example, i remember seeing 2-3 different Spit variants in the Igrommir videos. There's also a rumor that the 109E will have two variants as well, one with manual prop pitch and one with the automatic system.
Second, i have a faint recollection of Luthier mentioning that the autogyro is flyable.

There were 4 different Spitfires in the plane selection menu of one of the Igromir videos, MkI early, MkIa, MkIb, and MkIIa ;)

But I don't think the around a dozen number for flyables includes type variants, because there have been pictures of the cockpits of all the planes I listed as flyable.

I think you are right about the autogyro though, I seem to remember either Oleg or Luthier saying something about the thrill of dodging Messerschmidt attacks while flying it.

this song @ release day :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ATAVmbzJsk

zauii, your sig is wrong now since the crappy name change.

This is great news, its looking fantastic and I love the smoke and fire effects. I bet all 'thee of little faith' feel a bit daft now, LMAO.

I took a bit of a gamble and bought a GTX 580 about 10 days ago, very glad I did now. If that is not enough for this gig then I will be forced to kill myself, (400 quid! :eek:) but I think I'll be alright. :grin:

Tree, where are ya mate? I bet he's crying tears of rage into his tomato soup, ROFL. (just kidding you man) :grin::grin:

I can totally relate w1nd6urfa. I have most of my system but I still have about $1500 to go...pleases shut people who always say "WOW DUDE YOU GOT RIPPED OFF"....Anyway I'm just going to make it....just before the release date. :)

Don't forget the Supermarine Walrus

Just pre ordered one copy from them. Delivery is due April 7th to 21st. It will be a loong 3 months wait, but after 5 years waiting, is not so long, isn´t it?:)

Specs Config...

Intel i7 950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz @ 4.20GHz
Gigabyte X58A UD3r Rev.2.0
Gigabyte GTX 580 @ 870/1740/2109
G.Skill RipJaws DDR3 1600 6GB
SSD G.Skill Phoenix Pro 60GB
WDC WD5000AAKS-00V1A
Corsair TX850W
Win 7 64 bits Ultimate

...mine :mrgreen:

Wow impressive. I think your trying to compensate for a small penis!!

Good news on release date,congrats to dev team.
Really looking forward to CoD.
Hope enough money is made to continue the series.
Pity the dev team were'nt giving the resources/manpower for better graphics(not having a dig).
Best wishes to Oleg and team,pc gaming badly needs devs like you.

Ok, you're not having a dig, it's your honest opinion - no problem. But... what are you talking about? Are you talking about graphics on screenshots that are not at maximum settings? Whatever you're referring to, the graphics haven't been limited by the resources of the development team, they'll be limited by the capabilites of today's PCs. There's so much processing involved in a decent combat sim that the PCs will struggle. I think the graphics (when at the best settings) will be great, but when they hit the limit it will be due to PC power, not development resources.