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winny 12-15-2010 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Necrobaron (Post 204755)
Not sure why people make comments like this. Oleg specifically asked for input and he got it.:confused:

I think it was a joke... And he has a point. Relax.

Richie 12-16-2010 12:31 AM

I think everyone did well on this subject. If it went overboard that's ok I guess because it doesn't really matter. Like someone said no information is bad information. I'm sure Oleg has what he want's somewhere in all of this. There's a lot of flames and planes in here ...that almost rhymes.

winny 12-16-2010 01:03 AM

It's been an interesting thread from the start.

And you can never have too many videos of Merlins.

The general consensus seems to be yellow at startup turning blue (all things being well) a few seconds later.

It will be interesting to see Olegs interpretation.

BP_Tailspin 12-16-2010 04:12 AM

I thought everyone might enjoy these fiery pictures.

Not posting for the game, but real never the less … the spitting fire is caused by over priming, the raw fuel is spit from the exhaust, hence the name “spitfire”

http://www.cubpilot.com/Tspin/spit1.jpg

http://www.cubpilot.com/Tspin/spit2.jpg

http://www.cubpilot.com/Tspin/spit3.jpg

OK we all know the little fighter was really named after a girl named Ann but the spitting fire makes for a better story.

Thanks for posting the Friday updates Oleg, I’m sure you will pull the information needed from all the replies, looking forward to SoW Battle of Britain.

Necrobaron 12-16-2010 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 204758)
I think it was a joke... And he has a point. Relax.

Oh, I'm relaxed. I guess I missed the joke or the point.

winny 12-16-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Necrobaron (Post 204787)
Oh, I'm relaxed. I guess I missed the joke or the point.

Yeah.. it was the smiley face that gave the joke away and the 310 replies that make the point.

ATAG_Dutch 12-16-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WTE_Galway (Post 204621)
How did you get that?

The reply you quoted was related to a question about modeling individual cylinders in an engine to get authentic simulation of misfires etc .

Precisely. Discussion was invited regarding flame colour being too yellow in the shot. Everyone says 'should be blue'. We don't as yet appear to have a response to this.

Insuber 12-16-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrobaron (Post 204755)
Not sure why people make comments like this. Oleg specifically asked for input and he got it.:confused:

Necrobaron,

It was a bit of humour among pages and pages of scientifical dissertations. Maybe in your culture humour works differently, apologies in that case. BTW your sentence "Oleg specifically asked for input and he got it" is a great piece of humour to my eyes, bravo!

Insuber

Sternjaeger 12-16-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 204809)
Precisely. Discussion was invited regarding flame colour being too yellow in the shot. Everyone says 'should be blue'. We don't as yet appear to have a response to this.

..erm, what kind of response do you need exactly? From Oleg? :confused:

Baron 12-16-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 204827)
..erm, what kind of response do you need exactly? From Oleg? :confused:


Was kind of the point of this update, oleg asked a question, a majority of posters awnsered another q (that was never asked btw) instead and we havent seen him since.(exept for a few posts by oleg in the beginning)

Sternjaeger 12-16-2010 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron (Post 204828)
Was kind of the point of this update, oleg asked a question, a majority of posters awnsered another q (that was never asked btw) instead and we havent seen him since.(exept for a few posts by oleg in the beginning)

....so? I don't understand what's the problem with it... does he HAVE to? C'mon guys, if you haven't understood how the guy works by now I reckon u r hopeless in judging characters ;)

...and please, I just used a thing called sarcasm, don't take it personally...

Baron 12-16-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 204830)
....so? I don't understand what's the problem with it... does he HAVE to? C'mon guys, if you haven't understood how the guy works by now I reckon u r hopeless in judging characters ;)

...and please, I just used a thing called sarcasm, don't take it personally...


No, he absolutly does not. Thinks some mean the threadh have surved its purpose (or not) thats all. ;)

Necrobaron 12-16-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Insuber (Post 204817)
Necrobaron,

It was a bit of humour among pages and pages of scientifical dissertations. Maybe in your culture humour works differently, apologies in that case. BTW your sentence "Oleg specifically asked for input and he got it" is a great piece of humour to my eyes, bravo!

Insuber

No apologies needed! I sometimes think humor/sarcasm is hard to detect on a message forum.;)

ElAurens 12-16-2010 04:30 PM

Truth!

nearmiss 12-16-2010 05:18 PM

It always amazes me

How much verbiage posters can create about practically nothing.

Flame colors from exhausts... Oleg got enough from the first day of postings I'd say.

Sometimes I think Oleg is just making a joke and members don't get it.

SlipBall 12-16-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 204861)
It always amazes me

How much verbiage posters can create about practically nothing.

Flame colors from exhausts... Oleg got enough from the first day of postings I'd say.

Sometimes I think Oleg is just making a joke and members don't get it.



Well he like's to keep us busy:-P

JAMF 12-16-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SlipBall (Post 204864)
Well he like's to keep us busy:-P

Or it could be easier to ask people to give the proof of how it was and do the research in advance for you, than change it all again afterwards. ;)

julian265 12-16-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 204861)
Sometimes I think Oleg is just making a joke and members don't get it.

Like a thread for "FAQ-QUESTIONS,release date,system specs, for SOW" ?

Also, sarcasm doesn't show through text well... Unless it's really obvious or the reader knows the poster well.

IMO ...
"Effect of exhaust flame at night time. Emulation of each cylinder exhaust in relation to emulation of real engine cylinders work by a program.
My question to community: isn't it too yellow? Maybe to add a bit red color in a mix with yellow? It is tunable really, so I would like to listen suggestions"
... is not a joke. Suggestions were asked for and provided, in this case the desire for an official response is far more justified than to a query buried in any usual thread full of speculation.

ElAurens 12-16-2010 09:54 PM

And now the thread will proceed another 10 plus pages with us arguing weather or not all the info provided was really necessary, and what Oleg wanted.

LOL!!!!

You guys really need to relax.

WTE_Galway 12-16-2010 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 204809)
Precisely. Discussion was invited regarding flame colour being too yellow in the shot. Everyone says 'should be blue'. We don't as yet appear to have a response to this.

lots of response

the consensus was:

- yellow when its a stack fire from over priming (priming pumps raw fuel into the inlets) and

- blue in a running engine though you wouldn't normally see the blue in daylight


though there was some confusion between overpriming flames and a running engine followed by a lot of interesting but off topic stuff about fuel mixtures

Old_Canuck 12-17-2010 04:08 AM

Interestingly, Oleg's question kept this thread on topic for the most part. Now in a few hours we can chase each other's tails over another topic.

Rodolphe 12-17-2010 05:03 AM

...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 203970)
Yes, we have it. but also with the drawn samples :)


I'm sure you have, Thanks !



Feed back on the Spitfire 3D model :
Some of us have probably noticed this particularity of the generator air scoop on the portside of the engine cooling.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/GenIntake1.jpg
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/GenIntake.jpg


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swiss 12-17-2010 06:52 AM

Are you sure you couldn't find a misplaced rivet as well?

Flanker35M 12-17-2010 07:04 AM

S!

Swiss, the flight sim horde is the most picky race in world of gaming ;) Also if you look at the exhaust stacks they are not the same shape as in Rodolphes pic ;) J/K..I bet that detail is easy to fix quickly.

Pierre@ 12-17-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by swiss (Post 204923)
Are you sure you couldn't find a misplaced rivet as well?

I am sure he could! And I trust him to find them ;)
Thanks Rodolphe.

Sternjaeger 12-17-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodolphe (Post 204916)
...


Some of us have probably noticed this particularity of the generator air scoop on the portside of the engine cooling.
...

..some of us without a life, that's what my gf would say :rolleyes:

Hey don't blame me, she was around while I was posting this!! ;)

Rodolphe 12-17-2010 08:48 AM

...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre@ (Post 204935)
I am sure he could! And I trust him to find them ;)
Thanks Rodolphe.


:grin: Pierre@


You know Pierre, riveting is a interresting job but fabric seam has preference ! :grin: :grin:

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Fabric.jpg


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ATAG_Dutch 12-17-2010 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway (Post 204903)

the consensus was:

- yellow when its a stack fire from over priming (priming pumps raw fuel into the inlets) and

- blue in a running engine though you wouldn't normally see the blue in daylight


though there was some confusion between overpriming flames and a running engine followed by a lot of interesting but off topic stuff about fuel mixtures

Yes indeed and I agree with the consensus.

My point was that Mr Maddox responded directly to the very interesting but slightly off topic post from Sternjaeger about different colours for different mixtures as being a target for the future.

If different colours for different mixtures is a target for the future, the inference is that yellow, with or without a little more red, is currently the default colour for all mixture settings.:(

Sternjaeger 12-17-2010 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 204939)
Yes indeed and I agree with the consensus.

My point was that Mr Maddox responded directly to the very interesting but slightly off topic post from Sternjaeger about different colours for different mixtures as being a target for the future.

If different colours for different mixtures is a target for the future, the inference is that yellow, with or without a little more red, is currently the default colour for all mixture settings.:(

Dutch, the point I made was not as off topic as you might think, it's all related to the game engine features. In order to address a question you need to look at all its aspects, so then the case is closed. Brainstorming over a concept is always good material for developers; jibber jabber, moaning and rants on the opposite, are not productive, but unfortunately I see many of these happening here sometimes, maybe that's what puts Oleg out so much.. I remember the very early days of IL-2 Sturmovik, and Oleg was way more active, but I guess that years of rants have worn his patience out..

ATAG_Dutch 12-17-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 204947)
Dutch, the point I made was not as off topic as you might think, it's all related to the game engine features. ..

Don't get me wrong Stern, I did say 'slightly off topic', your posts in this thread have been very interesting for me. :)

As regards a response from Mr Maddox, given the amount of information in the thread, a simple 'ok guys, we'll change the default to blue' would have been appreciated.

Some months ago, there was a question surrounding the colour of RAF squadron codes, which resulted in 'ok guys I guess we should change the default from white to grey' from Luthier.

It'd be nice to find out what the response on this issue is, is all.;)

Sternjaeger 12-17-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 204950)
Don't get me wrong Stern, I did say 'slightly off topic', your posts in this thread have been very interesting for me. :)

As regards a response from Mr Maddox, given the amount of information in the thread, a simple 'ok guys, we'll change the default to blue' would have been appreciated.

Some months ago, there was a question surrounding the colour of RAF squadron codes, which resulted in 'ok guys I guess we should change the default from white to grey' from Luthier.

It'd be nice to find out what the response on this issue is, is all.;)

hehehe I know, what you mean, but I want to hope that Oleg is busy making the magic happen ;)

speculum jockey 12-17-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 204962)
hehehe I know, what you mean, but I want to hope that Oleg is busy making the magic happen ;)

I don't think that Oleg's sex life is any of our business.

Foo'bar 12-17-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 204981)
I don't think that Oleg's sex life is any of our business.

In german there's a saying: "Die Meldung entsteht beim Empfänger."

;)

Wutz 12-17-2010 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Foo'bar (Post 204983)
In german there's a saying: "Die Meldung entsteht beim Empfänger."

;)

Ist das nicht eine Umschreibung für das Siemens "Bananen-Produkt" "Es reift beim Kunden" :lol:

ATAG_Dutch 12-17-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Foo'bar (Post 204983)
In german there's a saying: "Die Meldung entsteht beim Empfänger."

;)

Was können wir erwarten? Ist er nicht eine gynaecologist? :rolleyes::grin:

Insuber 12-17-2010 01:29 PM

Pitié !!!!!!!!!

nearmiss 12-17-2010 01:35 PM

Off topic appears to prevail.

This thread is closed.


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