I know what you mean, while we want a historically accurate sim, we also want a balanced game. If the German aircraft had air to air missiles in WWII the Battle of Britain wouldn't have lasted long, and a game of it would be too one sided and pointless. But in the real BoB, Germany lost a lot more aircraft than Britain, so if it is historically accurate, your guns won't just be doing decorating. I appreciate that the German tactics were poor, and us gamers won't make those same mistakes in our 109s, but even so.

Lol :mrgreen:

Personal! You killed my family!

I'm kidding, lighten up, he was just having a laugh about crazy ammunition in his fighter, and being aggressive towards some imaginary bomber. Instead of 8 .303's he wants 8 Vulcan Gatling guns. That’s clearly having a laugh and not being personal.

It's funny that's the last thing I think of my 109.....a Nazi machine. I think the higher ups were nothing but an irritating puzzlement and source of amusement to all of the Jagdgeschwader commanders and their pilots.

Interesting pov ...

It certainly didn't keep them from following orders and killing a lot of people.

But, as for satisfaction - there is something about having to memorize the location of the enemy's fuel tanks - or gradually weaken and cripple the enemy over several runs (both more chivralic and your opponent knows that they are beaten). I personally moved beyond the Mk-108 many years ago (back on SWOTL) in preference to longer and closer fights. However, I can certainly see the appeal of the occasional fireball.

Well you're not going to leave your butt planted in a chair playing cards while enemy fighters and bombers are zooming around are you?...Or are you??? That statement makes no sense to me. A Spitfire, Hurricane or Mustang pilot all had the same job as a 109 pilot. Kill or be killed. If you don't kill that enemy he's going to get you.

You have more choice than kill or be killed. If you feel that the war effort you are involved in is seriously wrong and immoral, you have several choices. You can defect, refuse to fight (you'd have to run to neutral ground, easy in a 109), or even just not be very good. For example, a 109 pilot in a good position in the BoB could easily just turn and run home, assuming no one was watching. Even say you shot down the enemy and get a pat on the back.

Well I congratulte you Triggaaaaar!
You cant be serious about history!!!!:!:

Now how do you play alone in multiplayer? Sitting there on you English hedgerow lighting candles with them defected Gutmenschen1O9 pilots,
contemplating about all the poor multiplayers, beeing shot down by bad ass Nazis online fliers like me?

Salute!
Dietger

The Tommy could run too, no? :mrgreen:

And this is exactly why I think it is skewed. Nobody is doubting contribution however little attention is paid to very important details such as how long a squadron actually spent on the front line given the frequent rotation system and how many pilots or aircraft they actually lost by a squadron, or which airfield they operated from, or which aircraft types they attacked. It's pretty meaningless. The trouble is that the raw figure is somehow seen as a measure of skill and ability which is very misleading.
The Luftwaffe may have lost 258 aircraft in Poland but that does not mean that 258 were shot down my Polish fighters - there are many ways to lose an aircraft.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not belittling contribution, but I don't accept that Poles were simply better than everybody else. That's nonsense.

Do any of you have the sensibility to just create a new topic and hammer away there? All you need to do is just quote the last reply and continue. ;)
thanks in advance

What?

We're not talking about the game, we're talking about the options people had in real life. I fly 109s online, 190s, whatever.

AGREED! Not that I haven't been guilty of it in the past too but I would LOVE to see a thread about which sides people fight for in IL-2 and why.

The Poland debate could have its' own thread too though I think it would be all emotion.

Splitter

+1

Was there a publisher named yet or if not does anybody have a clue?

Also when is the big interview and the answers to all of the questions that were asked going to be posted on Simhq?

Originally Posted by matsher View Post

As much as I am a fan of realism, tonight I am in LaLa land (So please indulge me)
I can't stand the thought of having to put in hundreds of rifle rounds into a Nazi machine only to do some interior redecorating. These wonderful historical pictures make me mad just looking at them. I want to have the Deep satisfaction of seeing the wings sheer off, huge explosions, fireballs and mayhem.

All these fantastic screenshots are really getting my blood up...
I want to customize my spit into a pimped out hell machine, Instead of my 8 .303's I want 8 Vulcan Gatling guns ( Yeah, thats right, 48 barrels of screaming allied death)

Now before all you guys get all like, he's soooo unreasonable, I am prepared to compromise... The Vulcan's might be asking a wee bit too much, so to show you that I am a totally reasonable psychotic, I am prepared to settle for 8 of those cute little Cobra Gatling 3 barrel 20mm numbers. I don't think thats asking too much.



Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.



Aaaah, don't Stress Trig, Foo'Bar knew I was kiddin' - I fink one could best describe his comment as being liberally ironic...
Although that being said, if Foob's was up in one of 'em He-111steering his way to airmail me old mums outhouse with an over-sized German suppository...
I'd try and make it as personal as I possibly could... Me and my 8 Vulcans...
Or to be more correct, my 8 Vulcans and I... ;)


You know, I really wish I could say that I was drunk when I wrote that...
Glad you liked it, I think we should start a new thread to come up with the most
crazed & ludacris cross national insults to hurl at each other...

How about ...

The Queen rang and said STOP IT!!! You Naughty Naughty Germans.

Or maybe...

Why don't you geysers just bugger off, we never came round your gaf and pissed in your Sauerkraut...

Or...

'ello Hans, fancy a .303 prostate check

Or...

Hey Fritz, for what I am about to do to you, the polite thing to do would be to buy you a drink first.



Yeah Richie I know you're right, but its just not as much fun to think I am shooting down an nice affable guy flying an aeronautically androgynous fighter plane.
I'd far rather imagine you to be a fire breathing blood sucking Nazi vampire sent by satan to eat the hearts of our innocent children... (Shrug)
It adds a little something.

I totally understand matsher lol :)

My mum was slow to the shelters when York was bombed. Saved her life. Her family hid under the stairs, when the raid was over the shelter at the end of the street had been hit and everyone in it killed. Today you can almost read each bomb's fall, there's an empty bit of land or some unkind post-war thing inplace of the the noble Edwardian terraces, each string reaching like a searching finger towards the marshalling yards around the station. It wasn't a big raid even by the scale of 1942, but it nearly ended my life before it began. I can't help standing awestruck when I find a building that still has the blast scars of a WWII bomb up it. There's one in Bath that seems like a lithograph of violence, the splash of shrapnel up its stone face. I can't help feeling how helpless an individual must have felt against such nationalised murder, I don't suppose it was any different for anyone else.

Soooo, What you're sayin' is,
You so totally had a thing for Raymonds mom, I can dig it,
and she can cook, did she ever know, did you ever tell her, Hmmm,
did you ever tell Raymond??? I think we'd all like to know...

Thanks for sharing, we all have our little motivational triggers. Now please give us a really
good insult for the insult wall. If there are any really good ones, we'll pick the best, and I'll get them recorded.
You can do a German to England insult.

Here's a thought starter...

Hallo sind Gingerpubes,
Sie vorbereiten, um zu lernen zu beginnen, Deutsches zu sprechen

i think Oleg have a surprise for me you now developed BoB and in future Oleg Maddox developed IL-2 STURMOVIK 1946 II.

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