I'm with the cranky old lady ^ "+1" for the post count since, like her, I have nothing to contribute :rolleyes:

i don't read so much about the tail cannon smoke.
in the british 7,6 when they fire, i can't see they. but in a 20mm cannon must be.
hope oleg thing in that.

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...f-of-dover.jpg

This is looking very good indeed- the animation of the rear gunner in the He111 is excellent.
Will this slow down the aiming for the gunners compared to Il2, or was this already taken into account by a simple time delay?
Once again I am learning from Oleg's company- i didn't know about the auto-destruct of german cannon shells- they really do appear to show a difference in the trajectory of the different calibre bullets.
I'm intrigued by the Ju87 video- the reflections looks hideously complex but the framerate seems reasonably smooth considering the complexity of the background as well.
Looking at the start of the 'Dover' video the texture mapping of the Spitfires looks very stripped down. Is this an example of in-game video settings that can be toned down for lower spec machines by users themselves, or merely an earlier build?
I can hardly wait to see a video showing the weather effects!

Two comments:

1.) Banning the swastika as it is done in Germy is not just a case of "If I don't see 'em, they don't exist". Suggesting this is insanely short-sighted. In fact banning the swastika is part of a complex of things which all are meant to give the state the means to keep the right-wing idiots under observation and slap them whenever they get too frisky. Unfortunately you can't ban idiocy and plain human stupidy so I'm afraid there'll be always people who were missing when common sense was handed out, people who actually believe that BS the neonazis spread.

Some people said that free speech is a valuable thing for a country. I agree. But I also believe that free speech ends there where other people are being directly threatened with physical harm just because of an ideology. There's a popular saying in Germany, one I very much agree with, which states "Nazism is not an opinion, it's a crime." And that isn't meant WRT the law.

2.) A few Friday updates back Luthier posted, that the russian Duma (parliament) had passed a new law months ago which also bans public display of NS symbols (mainly the swastika). The law itself is as clear as stirred mud and could be read in various ways so 1C decided not to risk anything and omit the swastika from its products. Oleg also stated that even allowing users or 3rd Party folks to add such symbols later might get 1C in trouble (in theory) but he wasn't yet sure what that would mean for the new game series.

Odd that you'd want to defend a member that has repeatedly proven to be needlessly rude and boorish, even in this very thread. I think anyone who actually was part of the discussion conducted themselves in a civil way. Maybe you should go back and read before you offer an opinion. Nothing I said was untrue.

Yes, we all know the swastika debate has been done to death. That is no revelation. Like Freycinet, if you bothered to read what was being discussed originally, it was the matter of whether or not markings can be added by 3rd party individuals. This has nothing to do with whether or not the swastika will be a default marking. I understand it won't be and said so repeatedly. As you say, there has been indication that personal markings can indeed be added and that was all I needed to know. As far as I'm concerned the matter is closed.
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I don't blame them at all. Their hands seem tied.
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ah yes THAT boring old debate again

the truth ...

btw ... in reality, the swastika is also banned in other countries including Hungary, Poland and Brazil, not just the Soviet Union and Germany.

S!

Finland still has the "hakaristi" or swastika in their Air Force flags and no-one has complained except the French :roll: There is a big difference though between the NSDAP used one and the one we have. A certain moustache man had not even founded his "ideals" when Finland had this emblem painted on the FiAF planes since 1918. The emblem was from Count Von Rosen, Sweden. Had been his personal lucky charm, originaly from India where it had been used for some 2000+ years in this purpose.

The roundel we have now is after war when the Allies said a hakaristi can not be left on planes so thus the change.

Now, let's let the dead horse finally rotten away :D

Actually, in the Soviet Union it was not banned by the law. Instead, the propaganda of Nazism was banned. So, one couldn't use swastika for that purpose, but freely could do that in historical or cultural context.

The ban law was adopted in Russia just about a year ago, as their government attempt to be "closer to the international community". Yet, for some reason no one told them, that stupidly coping a stupid ideas is no good at all...

Hope Oleg reads this far...

Anyway, Oleg i know 3D vision is not going to be in BOB, but are there any plans to have it in the future?

has anyone tried 3D vision in a flightsim and how did it look and feel?

furbs, funny you should mention that, i just got off youtube after discovering some AMAZING fsx 3d vids, lemme find em again...

right here they are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGjJeQIjaw

3 or 4 others by the same guy, its about a new ground texture addon called orbx.

to some it up in the words of the goons, "yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!?"

Damn UMG.

Is there any way to fool youtube?

I think it may even be banned here in Canada, does anyone know?

It is.. :)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_ille..._for_Halloween

There are many ways. Proxy outside europe e.g.

UMG?

If the music is missing... dont worry it was crap to begin with :rolleyes:

The Swastika.

I'm not at all sure I want to dip my toe in but here's my one-off.

Let's just be practical about this.

1. It is deeply offensive to many people and will continue to be so for many years.
2. It's use in various ways is banned in many countries.
3. Oleg, possibly for these reasons alone and possibly others too has decided it will not be available in SoW.
4. The ability for users to add their own skins means they can add it if they wish to and use it in their own homes.
5. On-line servers can decide whether they will allow it through skin downloads and warn/kick/ban if they wish.
6. On-line server operators may run into legal difficulties if they allow it's use.

In practice, our own opinions don't really account for much in the real and practical world of whether it will/should be allowed. Laws are Laws.

Where it is used and permitted in on-line servers be aware that it may be causing offence to other players as much as if you were hurling racist abuse (as they may see it) through the Chat bar although they do have the choice of not using that server. If SoW ever goes to a MMOG I doubt very much if it will be allowed on a large Host server because of it's global nature.

I'm not saying "I'm right" but I really don't see what else there is to the debate. Anything else is simply a matter of personal preference.

I suppose I should declare my own position. I have a very clear knowledge of what was done 'under the Nazi use of the Swastika'. I found those things deeply offensive. Curiously I have discovered that I am not actually offended by it's appearance in IL-2. I suppose that's because I am able to separate 'game' from 'history' and do not assume that the virtual pilot is a Neo Nazi. I am conscious of the offence it causes others and it does gives me a strange feeling to see it but I personally am not bothered if it is available or not and, in deference to those it offends, I don't think it should be permitted without being declared on the server.

Cheers...i dont have the 3d glasses...works well then?

Welcome to my Ignore List. You're welcome to stay as long as you want.

Kids these days... :rolleyes:

Hmm, 3D flight simming. That's certainly something I'd give a try!
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Because your natural 3d vision only works well for ~0-50m in front of you, flight
sims are probably the worst place to use 3d as most of the action is more
than 50m away. That said, it does enhance the difference between the
cockpit and the outside world more.

ed: after a little googling, it turns out that the absolute natural limit for depth
perception is about 400m, but on a TV screen, the limit is much lower due to
the resolution limiting the size of binocular differences.
100m limit might be closer to the mark.

It's sad that those nazi pigs have screwed up that historical symbol.

For those who do not know how to distinguish swastikas: The nazi swastika is tilted. The Finnish hakaristi stands upright and it's blue, accept on the armored vehicles. There it's black.

I`ve tried 3d first with B17-the mighty eight and found the experience marvelous.
Having said that you will find that that title was most definitely not made for 3d-vision!
So all this talking if SoW:BoB would include 3d-vision is meaningless.
The program sends all video-information, including depth, to the graphics-driver, which then produces the output to the screen.
If the graphics-driver is programmed to deliver a 3d-picture he will do it with any game that gives depth-information to it.
With the b17 ptogramm i used a nvidia card with 3d-glasses connected to this card, a solution for which driver developement was cancelled sorrily.
I still have those, now useless, shutter glasses around here somewhere, though no nvidia card anymore.

it doesnt matter what game, all you need is a small script that displays two game views at the same time, one 5 (or if you want better depth perception, 10) cm to the LEFT of the other. If the game has a 3d world, it will turn out 3d.

its actually really easy.

Grazie Oleg Maddox bel video di azzione.
Tank you Oleg Maddox good action video immersive and the music is for big big action.
i loock fiat g 50 seem to be very agile now i seend the the sound of machine guns TRRRRRRRRRR and i the terrain is fantastic good good also the reflection.
but i loock strange dammage to airplane the flames yes is good the airplane not have the damage flames exit from a...
The flame comes out of a hole from a crack i noot loock this.
airplane lost when the pieces after being hit does a white smoke.
ok ok little defect but the GAME IS GOOD VERY GOOD.
I'd like to see the reaction of the airplane if you turn off the engine in flight or if you damage the engine. I'd like to see the aireplane who is touched by another plane and see if you damage an airplane slamming floor plan with another airplane.

No, it doesn't play the video at all.

Just a small point about the use of swastikas..

As a symbol it's only completley banned in Germany and Russia.(with a few religious exceptions)

The problem arises because all computer games (regardless of age rating) are classified as 'Toys' for children and many countries will not allow swastikas in them because of that reason.

If it's in a film then that is classed as Art and is allowed.

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Originally Posted by Freycinet
Yes, why don't we ask him to spend an afternoon on entertaining you...?

Seems to have escaped the attention of a lot of you guys when Oleg has been writing words to the effect of:

"Please you ask for too much", "You say that I promise [x] in next update but I didn't", "I need 25 hours of sleep now", etc, etc etc...

He has made it very clear that he is super-busy at the moment. He has a young kid on top of that, the implications of which any parent would understand...

Of course the spoilt teenagers in here cannot be brought to understand any of this, it is obvious now, they're just totally hopeless. They don't really care about anything but themselves, sign of their age and the times.

Of course the developers are provoked to reply when the tactic is "Hey, I'll pull stupid criticism out of my arse and then come with an inane suggestion about how to fix it". This trolling has been going on for quite a while now and is ruining the interaction with the development team.

Sorry, did he ask people to stop asking questions somewhere?

Again, he hasn't told or asked anybody to stop asking questions has he? He's merely letting us know how he is so we have a reason for his absence, not that he needs to tell us anything, he does after all have the ability to decide for himself much as you seem to think otherwise.

Did you want your underwear in red or yellow now that they need to go on the outside for your role as Oleg's protector?

What on earth was stupid or critical about asking Oleg's motivation and reasoning behind his choice of the Battle of Britain?

I know where you're coming from, although as mentioned by others some of your criticism isn’t well directed (IMO). These threads become mammoth, and it’s a wonder how Oleg has the time to wade through them. A lot of the questions put are made without much thought (eg, as you say, some questions almost suggest that the development team are beginners, which won’t have been the poster’s intention, and could have been avoided with some thought). Fortunately we are all being given a chance to ask questions, and unfortunately that inevitably leads to a lot of ill-advised posts. The fact is, it is probably easier for Oleg to ignore posts (like this one) than it is for us all to argue over which post is necessary. Like I say, I know your point, but you have now made several posts on the subject (with responses from others and now me) which are as much OT and in the way of the real discussion as the posts you’re complaining about.

It’s just not practical to moderate all the posts, so just ignore the ones you don’t like and don’t worry.

Can't you see the video? - It is not a vid for 3D glasses, it is a cross-eye video. Cross your eyes and you'll have a 3D image in the middle.

you winding me up ? :)

;) Ironic to think the sim is being built along the lines of a conflict that fought for freedom and freedom of speech and is ironically now restricted in many ways by countries imposing what they think should be allowed or banned, - - oh the irony [especially today of all days remembrance day here ]
If Olegs hands are tied well so be it nothing can be done.
A friend of mine has pointed out how limited an interest the BoB theatre of ops will actually be to some people [not me ,i can't wait ] so how quickly after this release will the next possibly more easily sold theatre of op s be released?.
Will you be able to buy them as stand alone individual sims or do you have to have BoB and then add on that.
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Both i think mate.

Or wait for five years and get the series complation with streamlined install!

I don’t know if somebody noticed that but I think that in some sequences of the Igromir video the textures don’t look so good from a certain altitude. I know that Oleg is still working on this aspect and I hope that in the final release we will have something at least as good as WoP based, irony of fate on the already very good IL2.

Here is a little comparison between BoB and WoP. I agree that this comparison is unfair because there is a Hollywood green filter in WoP and that the weather doesn’t seem to be the same in both pictures.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3853/compare2.jpg

BoB’s textures resolution seems to be very good and the details look very nice but it think that there is something that needs to be fine tuned to make it look more photorealistic and I think that there is no doubt that the new BoB graphic engine can do better than a console game.

I wouldn't worry too much about this aspect...;)

@Redwan, look at this:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3...1022183530.jpg
And don't forget all is WORK IN PROGRESS

When you look at Oleg's posting time and make the math, you got your answer: he is sitting there sometimes answering until 3 and 4am in the morning (Moscow time).

Yes, and without much reading. Lot's of the questions have been answered many times before.

Oleg's a big boy, he will do what he wants. He doesn't need people trying to hold his virtual hand to tell him what he can and can't do. If he wishes to reply to posts, he will. He only seems to answer questions which he feels he can answer (e.g. without giving too much away) or questions of general interest to him and others.
I understand it may seem rude to some to post a lot of questions, but IMHO it just shows general interest.
IMHO, a topic full of questions is much more considerate than a topic full of questions and argument.

Hopefully we can just move back to the topic. I can't see why people can't just PM members if they feel their post is rude, to save the topic going off at a tangent.

Very true. nVidia has had stereo drivers for years. I've used a pair of 3D Elsa Revelator glasses back in 2001/2002 and it worked fine in IL2:Sturmovik. IIRC there was only the trouble with crosshairs and labels. In "Mobil 1 Rally Championship" from Actualize/Magnetic Fields it worked great.

Sadly it only works on a VGA connector now.

B.C.????????
( Before Christmas???)

Agree 100% that's why he never answers my questions hehehe. :)

Oleg, has bouncing tracer been implemented into the game yet? I've watched all the videos from the show in Russia, but I can't see it implemented yet ;)
Did Luthier manage to get all his calculations for it?

Yes, the makers of TrackIR offered a system back around 2002 (before 3d had its resurgence). A SimHQ review reported that it helped with judging distances at short ranges in Il-2, but that the shutters were somewhat annoying. Some other games didn't work as well.

I don't think it will be released before Christmas. February/March has been suggested as a possible date (I can't remember who said that). So some time after that, I would think.

It was 1C-SoftClub, the russian publisher, who said spring 2011.

Good point and something I didn't realize. I imagine low level flying could be pretty interesting...
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No.

For that video, glasses will do nothing.

You need to use this technique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBa-bCxsZDk

As long as you view it embedded in the 1C forum page you need cross-eye.

How disappointing. The easily offended PC people have got in first.

If you forget history then you have more chance of a repeat :evil:

Is that the new Take That album cover?

Thanks. You are correct.

Nope that is normally the once a year bet i put on the Grand National :)

It should be! Take That have been flogging a dead horse for years!
Porcupine Tree rule! OK, well off topic, sorry.
The update is superb. Thank you Oleg.
Cheers mate.

So if we don't put swastikas on the aircraft in SOW then the world will once again be plunged into war?

How about you just shut up and let it go? Oleg has already said there is this new law in Russia about adding that kind of content, and despite what people like you say, he's not about to lose this game and his livelihood over it.

Let it go!

"it feels good to be a gangsta"

Office Space is an epic film...

"so I told him, please dont put salt on the rim of my margarita, NO SALT...and look, giant clumps of salt...I could complain to the management of this establishment..I could burn this place to the ground..."

this topic of swastikas was covered and recovered endlessly in the old Il2 forums...along with muzzleflash, FW cockpitbar, lawnmower enginesounds, and .50cal firepower...

Its good to see the fervor has not relented - smells like home in here

Manners...
 

There seem to a number of people who insist that others "shut up". Maybe it's just me but it seems pretty arrogant and inappropriate in a forum (well, anywhere). People have the right to voice there opinions.

As for the "this was discussed ten years ago"; maybe there are a few new faces around here who have no jolly idea about IL2's 'ancient' history. ;-) (BTW not referring to your post heywooood, which is light-hearted)

Food for thought. m(0.0)m

It is not dead merely resting ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE

Attention
 

Folks,

Please be patient to each other.
It is more easy to put the link to any of my answers that to show others, who repeat the questions or so...

Please.

Oleg...a question about the AI. Will the AI still fight to the death or will they try to escape if outnumbered?
When attacking escorted bombers will the british fighters carry out 1 or 2 passes then dive away? same with german fighters, will they carry out boom and zoom attacks then return to protect the bombers?
Is the AI able to work out defection shooting and snap shots?
How close to real life is it possible to get the AI with todays PCs?

thanks.

Question for Oleg, what progress have you done to make the campaigns more "personal" and immersive since IL-2? The Dgen campaigns didn't really make you feel that you were a pilot in a raging war. Read an article on Eurogamer yesterday (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-baron-article) about the Red Baron game. Sure the campaigns weren't as complex as they probably will be in SoW but they had personality and a sense of progression. Hope you have come a long way from the Dgen campaign stuff -you have been promoted, you have recieved a medal etc, yaaay...not!-.

Also, will there be any kind of resource management i.e, fuel management, pilot/planes/munitions supply as you become higher in rank?

Thanks in advance!

Easy to fix. It is a Russian law, so have the software specific to the ability to add markings compiled in another country that does not have that law.
Not sure if Speedtree is a Russian company but I am sure 1C or Oleg could not be held liable if the source code used to make the trees could be converted into making giant swastika trees :)

One could even suggest an export version not for sale in countries with swastika issues that would allow it...

Modders will make it happen no matter how much 1C, the Russian parliament or German Government fight against it.

For me it is not a game breaker either way :)

Your recent experience raising a small child must be coming in handy around here.......Thanks for your patience.

GREAT IDEA! Try and skirt Russian law by trying to invent a loophole that may or may not result in jail time and Maddox Games/1C Publishers being raided and having their property seized!

We all know how reasonable and lienent the police are in Russia, and I'm sure they will have no problem with Oleg and co. making a game in Russia that will depict hate symbols outside of the country.

Oleg has already said no, why not give it up so that we don't have to read this every three posts?

Maybe...

1. answer questions you like,

2. give links if you like.

3. don't answer if you like.

I think most people just want to talk with you.

Asking questions is easy way to have discussion.

Here is a good referral link to send them... LOL

Maybe they will get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxMbkCBjSVs

Actually I do believe that Oleg was attempting to ask forum participants to stop bickering over stupid crap, and suggesting one way to commence to do that.

Questions for Oleg
 

Hi Oleg

The problem is I don't know if my questions have been answered before, there is so much to look through :(
Could you answer these (again?) please?
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...=17298&page=10

I saw your post to Hecke - "no Tesselation" - so that it answered.

Thanks

Not really a big deal to check Oleg's previous answers.

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Less work in fact than writing questions that have already been answered (not referring to you in particular here).

Flaperon are ailerons that can both deflect downward at the same time so that they double as flaps. Hence the name flaperon... Popular on ultralights...

Would that be like whats on the I-16's ??

+1

Pretty cleary read it that way too - why are people now falling over each other rehashing old questions? Dear god, this is beyond embarrassment!

(or have I missed something)

- late edit: my support of the above quote went as far as the 1st line - I was not endorsing bashing moderators!

Glad to see this post from you, Oleg!

I am appalled when I see the bickering, insults, and other violations of polite forum protocol in this forum.

Hopefully, people will respect your request.

Different countries have different laws, that's that, no problem. So the game will come without certain markings, no problem. I would like, preferrably, to be have a historically accurate sim. Would I like the publisher (developer etc) to take any risks in giving me that sim - no of course not, don't be daft. I wouldn't want a loophole where you change the config file here and there etc. What would seem usual, is that a game, whether it be racing cars, planes, whatever, would allow modders to change skins - a new paint job for Valentino Rossi's bike etc. That's not a loophole, that's common practice. If a modder then put graffiti on an object saying something offensive (swearing, race abuse etc), that would not be the fault of the publisher, and the same would go with markings. For example, what if you have a favourite pilot, that flew with a badge on his plane, and you had the artwork for that badge - does the game have to be specifically programmed to stop you adding any art, camoflage etc, just in case you added something else that you shouldn't have? That would be ridiculous. I'd personally assume the game will allow users to make their own skins, with camoflage etc, and if someone made something offensive, that wouldn't be the responsibility of the publisher.

Actually, the problem is he has no clue - but isn't aware of it. ;)

+1

It's a nightmare here.
Unfortunately those saying most are those with least to say.

Yes

or rather it smells like dead horses :neutral:

+2 it's as I said somewhere in this thread, if we all just stuck to the topic, and maybe pointed members to an answer if Oleg answered the question, then everything would be fine :D Belittling members for asking questions is just not on (and least on the open forum). Clearly everything is fine as long as people stick to the topic in question.
I'm happy that Oleg has posted this. Hopefully if someone posts a seemingly silly, but relevent, question, members will PM them if they feel it rude or pointless rather than openly flame them; or allow Oleg to answer if he wishes which, at the end of the day, is the whole purpose of posing the question to him. :D

Maybe we need to set up a wiki style Oleg's answers page so it can all been seen in one place and then just add it to everybodies sigs :)

Deleted - misposted - see further down.

There are plenty of ways to do things. A true FAQ or WIKI you would think would work.

It won't because there are always people that refuse to cooperate.
Those members always want the fresh answer, even if their question has been answered hundreds of times.

The update threads are a nuisance after the first couple days they always turn into something like this. Yet, Oleg often answers poster questions later in the week... so we let it run as a sticky thread until the next update.

If you don't like the tone of the thread... ignore the worthless words, and ask or make your own sensible postings. Oleg may answer those postings.

Nearmiss, I just think that people should not be allowed to openly say 'why are you posting this :rolleyes: it's all crap' which pretty much sums up a few of the members on here. They could easily say this privately.

If that was aimed at me let me explain as I have asked questions that may well have been answered before.

First I completely agree with Oleg's comments and he may well have had my questions in mind. These Friday updates are too full of unhelpful, even irrelevant, junk and ping-pong insults that have little to with with Oleg's information or his intentions in posting the thread.

The previous Friday I was ranting, I admit, along just Oleg's lines. The thread was 90 pages long for god's sake. In it were possibly 20 relevant pages.

"Not really a big deal to check Oleg's previous answers. "
It is if there are an unknown number of threads to search especially when they can be each 40-90 pages long. It just isn't possible and picking the right words for a Search to bring them back is hit and miss and has not brought me previous questions or answers I am looking for. Sometimes its just necessary to ask the question. We haven't all been reading every thread since SoW was first discussed. There will always be people looking in who have not seen and can't find what they are looking for.

If no-one wants to answer me then I'll just have to live with it but as Oleg says, if someone knows the answer then just give it. Insulting or flaming a questioner or question, even an unwitting old one, is not what the forum is about. It's supposed to be informative and mutually helpful.

"A true FAQ or WIKI you would think would work."
If Only! There is no one place I know of where Oleg's answers are collected.

So, does anyone know the answers to my questions? (I already know about Tessellation.)

But stuff like:

"Hi Oleg, please tell me this and explain that, because the staus quo right now really looks like ****, I mean, even game xy from 1999 did that better."

should be ok.?

Not as a statement, you're right it's pointless, but if posed as a question and justified by pictures/videos/etc then why not? If it's directed at Oleg it's for him to answer; people don't need to act as his own advisors and try and answer the question for him, unless they can prove the post wrong with anyting Oleg has said or posted before :D
As long as everyone is calm and rational, and not rude and insulting, then things can run smoother. But yes, such posts can be rude if phrased that way. There are ways of saying things where one can be a lot more polite.

So stop bickering!!!!!!!!!

Maybe that's the point; not everyone will agree with everything you have to say, so don't try and argue against that?

I think actually Phil the point is space lost to pointless banter could be better used. Constant toing and froing such as this is exhausting to wade through *cough*

And quickly responding to Klem– and not wanting to contribute further to the faff...
Not at all, apologies if it came across that way. I was responding in haste (and exasperation) - but could have been clearer. It wasn’t my intention to target individuals, on the contrary I'm also keen to hear feedback on issues you've raised.

My point, a simple one :) was that A) Developer posts a plea asking for cooperation and restraint B) community here then launches into a confused series of interpretations – including digging up old questions raised by Oleg seeking clarification on an earlier query from us and then, although already answered in this very thread, is given a new definition which in turn opens another discussion about what in this case I think was flaprons.... Phew

(edit) It’s understandable; there is so much to get through in an update thread, and consequently a lot of repetition. But it would I think not be asking too much to exercise self-control now and again. Just taking a moment before hitting the reply button and thinking, does everyone here really want to share this? Other forums manage it :)

This thread has had 39,095 hits to date – I can’t believe everyone reading is moved to voice their personal take on someone else’s reply to a question already answered.

Yes, sorry, I agree, I just thought it best we try and resolve the issue in order to reach a consensus ;)

One thing that I'd like to see is the pilots animation when wounded. Will it be the same as normal? Or will we be able to see that the pilot is wounded? Say, for example, if we attacked a formation of Heinkels head on and killed/wounded the pilot, would we see the co-pilot take his place? And, similarly, if the rear-gunner was killed, could the bomb-aimer take his place if they had completed theit bombing run?
I can't recall such a question being asked or answered.

Look phil, it's not about the question itself - it's about the way many of them are are formulated, and that is often very offensive.
For all I care you can ask oleg if his trees are green - ok, go.

A (imho) no go is: Oleg your trees not only suck, but also I've seen waaaay more realistic models in Mario Bros for the c64 in '92.

Language barrier is not argument, you really dont need an advanced to formulate a question politely.

I agree with you there; the comment isn't really supported by any tangible evidence, and it's plain rude ;)
If someone posts something like that, I think the best solution is to post nicely, rather than flame them, 'cos you're just dropping to their level.
I may have posted saying things like 'the smoke looks awful', but really I hope to never do so again. Or if I feel that way, say: 'Oleg, look here______the smoke looks a lot different than what we've seen in SoW. Will this type of smoke be modelled, or are you still finetuning the process? Of course this aspect of the sim will be hard to get accurate, as there is little evidence to use for this which shows the smoke accurately, but it would be interesting to have an insight into how you model damage effects like this.'
Whilst some may say that asking Oleg for such an insight is rude and too expectant, I feel if you're polite than all Oleg needs to say is 'no, sorry' or completely disregard the post altogether if he wishes ;)


Sorry to have gone AWOL (again)

If I remember correctly, you posted something like " drawn by a child in watercolors", however, recently I can assure you you were not responsible for any raise of my blood pressure.

:grin:

But a post in pilot body/face thread made my jaw hit the space bar on my keyboard...

(...and hitting the space bar with my jaw causes an instant meltdown, at least to me)

That was Tree ;)

Ok, that's guy I have to share a "zappatista's shorts" dinner if they release SOW before/at X-mas.

Sorry then, lol.

A little tip for those who are not sure if their question has been answered or not, or just want to see all that has been said, simply click on Olegs name at the top left of one of his posts and a menu will appear. Choose "Find All Posts by Oleg Maddox" and VIOLA! there is everything the man himself has said, and while this may still be a lot to go through, at least it's in one spot and no other crap to wade through. I also do the same for Luthier in case he's added something to the picture recently.

Yes, an example of an insufferable, arrogant and impolite posting by philip.ed would be this one:

To which Oleg could of course answer that he has flown over England more than twenty times and has taken many photos there himself.

Also, Oleg is continuously showing an immense depth of knowledge about colour theory, which makes it all the more galling to have teenagers telling him... "not to be rude, but have you flown over England?" and flaunting their total lack of tact and understanding of the issues. Also, more importantly, a lack of understanding of what WIP and "development shots" mean.

People like philip.ed and Hecke and Tree should really understand their own limitations a bit more, and not think they can EDUCATE Oleg on the many issues involved in creating a world class flight sim.

Of course Oleg replies more to the annoying trolling than to polite well thought-out postings. The trolling follows the usual pattern of "your work is really quite crap, here is how you should do it". If it was me being told that, I too would reply to it before dealing with other postings.

It is just quite sad that impolite know-alls have totally taken over this forum and spam it just to pump up their +1000 post count...

That's one example, Freycinet, and I never said I was perfect:
quote from me above: I may have posted saying things like 'the smoke looks awful', but really I hope to never do so again.

Maybe you should read all my postings before you comment?

Also, this was a question to Oleg for him to reply. In general I was suggesting the vast difference in summer-time colours vs any other time of the year. Oleg has flown over the country a number of times which he said in answer. I just wanted to see where he was basing the colour from. Cynical of me, maybe, but it was nice to see just how extensive his research had gone.

I could similarly find posts from you where you are flagrantly rude to forum members which in every sense is just
pointless. But doing so won't achieve anything and neither is you posting this. It was for Oleg to answer, not you. He doesn't need you to hold his hand. I think it's clear he's said as such and I'm not alone in saying this.
You can't condemn a man for one post ;)

Anyway, what's your issue? At the end of the day; Oleg told people like you to stop doing this; he has no issue with people asking questions. ;)

Actually i disagree. Philip thinking he knows better might grind your gears, but his post is not rude. I too think he's way too pedantic sometimes over details that are trivial to me. Obviously, they are not trivial to him and vice versa, some of the items on my wishlist might be complete non-issues to him.
So, who decides which one of us is "rude" and should "shut up", as so many people feel inclined to tell others on this forum lately? Maybe they think that playing "knight protector of mr Maddox" will result in a signed copy of SoW arriving at their doorstep a little sooner, who knows? :confused:

You see, polite or rude has to to do with the delivery of the message first and foremost and this we can argue about.
The actual content of the message however is not manner which conforms to certain established norms of social interaction, but a personal thing for everyone that's free to be shaped in accordance to their own preferences and called an opinion.

You seem to have a problem accepting different ones. That's the whole issue really, at least in my personal, non-rudely presented opinion :-P

Thank you Urufu. I didn't know that.
<waits to be flamed as a dweeb>

I'm digging through them now. 5 Pages down, 15 to go. Now that's reasonable!

He's in trouble though if he hasn't answered my questions ;)