That's why you need a menu where you turn those options on or off - where's the problem?

Maybe you are p.o. because off all the arcade servers in HL?
Let me put it this way - those ppl most likely will never switch to full real.
So if there were only FR servers left, those ppl would just disappear - and not what you maybe hope for, you'll have more elite servers to chose from.

if I had to spend 10, or in some cases over 30 minutes, just to get my plane off the ground - this game could kiss my rearend. That's not going to happen.

And yes I fly only FR, and I am also member of a squad.

Xylon, are you one of those guys who fly London - New York real time in FSX? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa09tTAkHgI
starting procedure is very complicated for little children and after the navigation also ++ complicate.

little children hate complicate swicher
little children want a simple game
little children not have pacience
little children not want study for fly but want only fun.
little children not love the simulation but arcade.
this is EXAMPLE of CRAZY children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHjSPS6i6Z4

flood?

Whatever Xilon

Xilon, you are a hypocrite. You moaned about me or someone else who said that some posts in the updates are 'rubbish' yet you write messages that flame people who don't fly full-real....
Something is a bit wrong here. If someone wants to fly with, say, infinte ammo, that's their choice. You can't just limit the game to simmers, depsite the game being a sim, as the game will only have a limited market. Il-2 had the option to switch to arcade, so what's the problem?
How is it childish flying with some options switched off? It's not. Everyone can enjoy the sim in their own way. Who are you to call someone childish? Please, get a life.

ok ok then servants not to insert in this forum photo video inherent information the airplane of the second world war a lot draft only of a game.
remember DCS simulation FSX il-2 f16 FALCON silent hunter iv ARMA2 loock on Rise of flight ecc.ec. is simulator not arcade. and have good buisness

ROFl, I am picturing you sitting there in front of your monitor with goggles. Next time you do this, you MUST take pics or, even better, video! I need something to show my wife and say, "See? It could be worse....". You will do us all a great service :). Did they model that comic strip out of the other thread after some pics you posted?

Just having some fun, but I got a chuckle out of the mental image :).

BTW, I can't believe that people are arguing against including switches to turn down realism. What is wrong with options?

Splitter

BoB pilots had to scramble inside two minutes...
No wonder James Goodson preferred the Spit to the Jug!

56RAF_phoenix

Xifon, I hate to tell you this... but a "serious" flight simulator costs IL2 x 10^6 €... and is used to train real pilots, not middle-aged gamers... and you normally don't find them in the 10$ bin of games shops together with Pacman and The Sim's... and above all they don't run smoothly on a home computer ... :D. Just look at this one:

http://www.thalesgroup.com/Portfolio...ator/?pid=6907

Cheers,
Insuber

:grin: the things I do to prove myself right... :rolleyes: :grin: :cool: LOL

"regrettably" it doesn't seem to have sunk in.
well quite. having options that help noobs understand that they are doing damage and what to, or anything in fact that means there is a learning curve rather than precipice, should be added as a selectable option.
only once it is easily gained, then difficulty gets ramped up again.
and that would put a large number of people off if you had to pass a training mission in a tiger moth before you could get at any of the combat. i mean really. talk about elitist and insensible.

an optional training mission, or missions, would be perfect. people could tool around then when wondering why they are doing badly, or not doing as well as they could, will go back to the training missions.

and then whine on twitter, games sites, amazon and forums about it, further harming sales.

It could be both.. If you don't get your way that is..

MD_Titus
+1

Fortunately the developers of this game are eminently more sensible than some of the people who post here. There is no way that they will risk alienating so many potential customers and damaging their chances of commercial success just because some people seem to have a hard time admitting the fact that they are sitting in front of a computer and not actually flying a plane.

And I use the word game very deliberately. It is a computer game - of the subgenre 'flight simulator'.

I should add that I have no problem whatsoever with those who choose to play on full real settings (or as near as they can get). I intend to do it myself (eventually), but what is it with this fundamentalist mindset that demands that EVERYONE else MUST do it their way???!!!

I agree. Perhaps this discussion should be continued in a separate topic though ?

Lol, that might actually be a sound marketing strategy.
"For full difficulty settings: Recommended age 20 years or more.
Recommended experience with other flight simulator products of at least 3 years".

The little kids would not only want to pick it up, they'd also want to boast that they are uber and play in the "grown-up's" division, resulting in a drive for them to try and learn the higher realism settings. :-P


Very good analogy with the Total War series. I'm trying to get a few of my friends into flight sims and i would really love to be able to take them out for training flights and such, upping the scales as time went by. I'm talking about guys who will play anything from call of duty and company of heroes to theater of war, hearts of iron and silent hunter. They have a solid WWII background but no flight simming background at all, because "i don't mind it being difficult, good games usually are, but man it does take ages to learn" as they tell me :grin:

Xilon: Little kids don't have a lot of patience, but they have free time to learn and evolve.

My friends are all people in their late 20s/early 30s with jobs, enough money to get good PCs, HOTAS sets, TrackIR sets and enough patience to sit down and learn a complex game. You know why they don't use flight sims? Because they don't have the free time required to learn it.

I fly full switch or almost full switch (externals on when playing offline for screenshots). I campaigned hard and annoyed people in this forum to have more in-depth systems modelling in SoW, something that will be for me like a fusion of FSX and IL2 and when SoW arrives, i'll fly full switch again and i do want navigation tools and protractors to use in flight and draw up flight plans on the go as i'm skimming the waves on a cross channel raid to France in a Blenheim. But do you know how i started?

I was a 12 year old kid flying secret weapons of the luftwaffe, which by today's standards is even less realistic than IL2 with all the helper options turned on.
Also, RoF, DCS and all the other sims you mentioned have difficulty options. They are not "100% default difficulty" affairs.

It's just like school. If you teach simple arithmetics to small children, some will show enough interest and talent to become mathematicians when they grow up. If you try to teach advanced calculus to them, then none of them will ever touch a mathematics book again in their lives. ;)

Why am I surprised that this is still a topic? This is simple bloody math, us "full real" (whatever the hell that means anyway) fanbois are not numerous enough to pay for the development of a flight sim of sufficient complexity to have any settings that even approximate "full real".

In order to sell enough copies, Maddox games has to make this thing appeal to the widest possible audience, or SOW will end with BOB. Period.

As I've said before, I want the most realistic possible flight sim, but I also realize that I also need throngs of people that just want to play a bloody video game to subsidize the flight sim I want.

How does having scalable difficulty settings "hurt the community" again? Or does everyone have several thousand dollars to chip in for development? I'm sure that will work.

NOOB! I go back to F-15 Strike Eagle. The ground had actual GRID LINES lol. Man, I just went back and looked at some of the footage of the flight sim games I have played. I look at what I used to think of as the sh!t and wonder what I was thinking (Aces over Europe, Aces of the Pacific). We have come a long way.

Let's be honest, Oleg is thinking bigger than SoW. We are already talking about how great the land warfare could be (totally unconfirmed future development). The game is going to be "scalable". Newbs are going to be able to jump in and fly. Old vets are going to have cool switches to click. They are designing a game that has "legs" and will go further than SoW.

Smart!

Splitter

Lner a4
 

Thanks Foo'bar - I hope Oleg puts the A4 into the sim. I have a particular interest in this steam engine. My father in-law (sadly now deceased) use to drive them. It was his favourite engine. He always said that they (A3's & A4's) had 'three beats to the bar' which meant they had three steam cylinders.

He told me a great story which should interest you - he was driving a steam engine with a goods train near Nottingham one night, I think after the Battle of Britain, and was strafed by a Luftwaffe nightfighter. He didn't realise that they had been strafed until they stopped at a signal and the guard came running up saying they had been attacked and the back of the train was on fire!
DFLion

Noob too, you!

I go back to F-16 Fighting Falcon(Amiga 500, that game was sooo cool!), actually even FS2(on Atari, but FS2 sucked). :D

Just to remember:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tari_ST%29.png

Can't believe I played that, lol.

The 1980's PC version of F-16 Fighting Falcon had a good campaign mode whereby you flew one mission yourself and set targets for other flights under your control. Its something that would be nice to have in SOW.

After 6 years listening to Fritz, I´ve got tired of him. By now I´m using a female control tower voice which gives much more promising action after my landing :mrgreen:

Great pics, Oleg, thanks! I´ve been wondering if that you and team could release to all of us a mini-demo, let´s say, Hurris x Heinkels or so, near the English coast as an appetizer before the final release. It´s been years of waiting for SOW-BOB and many release confirmed dates that didn´t came through. Don´t want to sound unrespectful nor ungrateful, but...Think about.

Best,

I wonder if in 25 years (assuming we make it that long) we will look at these games and wonder how we spent so many hours playing them? Our brains certainly did a lot of "filling in the blanks" back then.

Splitter

He already said no to this.

It would be a great idea if the developers had the time, but its very highly unlikely. The demo could happen only if the publisher delayed releasing SOW.

Anyone who has it probably thought of it already but with all of the talk of pilot size going on recently why not just go get your copy of Battle Of Britain DVD out and watch it again for the twelve hundredth. I think the main ones missing are 110s and 88s but you have He 111s Spanish 109s, Hurricanes, Spitfires and after watching it you'll be even more depressed :))

That's a good story, thanks for sharing! :)

Foo'bar will we see more vehicles from you in SOW besides the trains ?

If I remember this map correctly, there's a runway on this pilot's 8 o'clock.

the coolest game...
 

the coolest game I played in nineties was 'Tornado'..do you remember?
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..times where the graphics did not reach, hard manuals contributed to the game immersion!!!
..nineties...I still had my hair:grin:

Ciao

please don't start it - or I'll have to download dosbox(once again) and.... :rolleyes::grin:

The coolest(arcade) Sim of the 90's was Strike Commander.

I last played in '95 on friend's computer.
Never finished the campaign.
Last year I remembered and had this strange urge to finish it.
Bought a copy of SC on ebay for £1, installed dosbox and did it. lol


http://youtu.be/JATVNhteDPA

I still digg the sound from 2:00.

i remwmber all this game in i play to Fa/18 intercepctor amiga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb_YOvmINHQ
thei finest hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhO94...x=0&playnext=1

maybe we should open a new topic named "flight sims abandonware" ? :grin:

Bros, interceptor is 1988 and TFH 1989.

You're OUT. ;)

or just stop it. :)


On the other hand: This thread is already dead. the important posts are on page one.

At least it's civil, for the moment.

That engine sound will induce seizures.

Just a quick comment re: additional data being provided about damage to different systems as a learning tool for new pilots.

Perhaps the original poster isn't aware about the "arcade=1" feature in the conf.ini?
It's a great tool (one I hadn't seen in any other sim) showing where hits were made by one guns. Combined with the track recorder, arcade=1 really helped me improve my gunnery especially deflection shooting.

I remember playing Lucasfilms BoB waaaaaay back.... 'twas great fun! It's amazing how far the tech has come (of course, it has been 20+ years now!!)... loved the box-art of that game. I also wish I'd never thrown out the manual for Dynamix Red Baron 2; that was a beautiful manual with glossy colour profiles for each aircraft etc... etc... (C_G takes a trip down memory lane to a miss-spent adolescence in front of the computer on beautiful summer days).
C_G

This game rocked, it had an awesome manual and mission builder, some good training missions too, I remember turning on the terrain following radar and zipping across Iraq was pretty fun. The sequels "Apache" and "Hind" were also quite good.

Does anybody remember "Jet Fighter" by Velocity, late 80's/early 90's? Or the great EVGA space game, Elite by Gametek ...

I think so. Jet Fighter came in a funky box that wasn't square and was centered around a scenario that Mexico got taken over by communists and invades California, iirc.... 'twas cool, especially carrier landing the F-18.
A friend lent it to me and wanted it back after a week so I didn't get very far with it.

I have a "BIG" box full of nearly all the titles mentioned thus far (and then some) and I can't count the number of times that I have been tempted to simply dump them all, but somehow something just stops me.

IMO both Lucas and Dynamix had some of the best manuals.

I'm such a sad case that I purchased both BOB-TFH and Falcon (1.0) two months before I even owned a PC, if I remember correctly I also pre-ordered SWOTL as soon as it was announced, then I think I had to wait about a year or more before it arrived apparently the development time blew out ;)

Not to mention the fortune I had to spend on magazines just see the one or two screen shots of any upcoming Sim’s I was interested in.

incorrect
 

Thats in correct it goes on rims.:-P

Gresley's A4 Pacifics worked on the east coast main line from Kings Cross up to Scotland, as far as I am aware they never appeared on the Southern Railway routes to the south coast. Having said that Foo'bar's model is rather beautiful and it would be a pity not to include it in SoW at some time.
How many types of locomotive will be included in the initial release? (I've seen three on Foo'bar's 'site; M7, Great Western pannier tank and an 0-6-0 that I don't recognise). Yeah, I know it's not important to everyone, but besides being an aviation enthusiast, I'm also a railway nut!

No, in American English. Tire is both fatigue, and wheels.
We don't use tyre.

Example: I am tired of this thread.:-)

Don't worry, hopefully there will start a new one tomorrow:-D

I can still remember the one and only air-to-air kill I got in Tornado! (in the F3) Seriously though it was best as an air-ground simulator - the mission builder was absolutely fantastic, being able to schedule your AI planes on time on target, all attacking from different directions. I can remember the trill of the RWR receiver. I can also remember trying to get a customised autoexec.bat file and config.sys file that would let me load the programme in base memory - that wasn't so much fun. The manual was good as well, some 200-odd pages long.

Another old-school sim I used to fly was EF-2000. Took me ages to learn how to do the aerial refueling!

+10 several hours spent with ef-2000 ..I remember uneventfull CAP mission flown for 1 hour or more or interception at very low altitude.. great game ,
I found a link about classic combat simulators
http://www.listal.com/list/evolution...ght-simulators
it impressed me cause i spent my youth on most of them since I was 13, how many hours subtracted to homeworks!!:grin:
In this list are missing two top games: Aces of pacific and aces over europe!!!great days... but gretest are to come with SOW;)
Ciao

One thing I was thinking about was menu music. Although I'm not much of a fan I found out that Wings Of Prey has an awesome main theme.


Yes We Are....ACES!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeDoxHGLpCU

The first thing I do with any game after I have installed it, no matter what genre, is to go to the options screen and turn the music OFF. It's usually rubbish and I find that it detracts from the game.

Ef2000 was really good, I managed to do the inflight refueling a few times, but I remember it was hard as hell, the terrain in that sim still looks good today. I think that was the first sim I had that had a 3d cockpit, it seemed so amazing at the time. Another fave of mine was MiG Alley, I liked the dogfights, and the big flights of sabres, the terrain was blah, but the campaign was excellent. One feature I really liked was the ability to see the enemy planes by seeing reflections off their canopies and light flashes, I hope BoB has something similar for planes with a lot of plexiglass.

Oh glorious memories of Jaeger's 'Fighter Duel' Corsair vs Zero on the Amiga. The first hi-res flight sim. Flew 1 on 1 over 14,400 modems. Almost melted down a plastic card on phone bills, until wifey caught me. The program ended up with about 20 planes before switching to the PC. there it was in glorious 256 color 640x480 svga.. Caused me to switch to the PC platform. Still have most of my tournament scores and a few videos somewhere. Some of these AKAs are still flying I'm sure. Hawkeye, Leadwiper, BigDaddy, Walkup, DBee, Tahoe, RCPilot, Zed, Empleo, Tank, HumblePie, GhostRider, etc

S!

Richie, I know quite a few of those guys in your video ;) And that drink, FPO, is legendary :D

The rear of the Hurricane was canvas over a steel tube frame, the front was metal skinned, which is why you can see those lines under the skin. Strong and light!

RGR! It's the old Warbirds gang from 2000.

I flew Warbirds for 3 years first as gkofor then as hackl_. You had to have six letters or numbers. In 2001 the IL-2 demo came along and the Hyperlobby was free so I was out of Warbirds. I had fun for 3 years though. These guys are at a Euro banquet for Warbirds...I'm pretty sure it's PJK with the Panzer Oil in his hand

S!

It is the same man ;) He flies IL2 and Aces High these days. Kossu is also in the pics there with the pilot goggles :D

Well personally I used to jump in the jeeps in Battlefield 'Nam and turn on the radio and just listen to the '60's soundtrack :D It is hard to criticize a sound track that included Creedence, The Troggs, Canned Heat Deep Purple and The Kinks :D

I also found the soundtracks that came with the various "Need for Speed Underground" titles pretty good listening.

A good soundtrack can help a game immensely. In terms of WWII a mixture of Vera Lynn, Glenn Miller, Marlene Dietrich and similar songs in other languages ("Lili Marleen" in German was a huge hit amongst Afrika Corp troops for example) may not be played every time you fly but would add a lot to the atmosphere of the game.

I agree that I almost always turn the music off, but one game I remember the music was epic - UFO ( the very first one ). The music was just so eerie, it's the only game I know where the music actually gave you the willies !

best music ever in a game would be in DEFCON for me.

Best game music, GTA Vice city... B)

Yes. lem is the guy with the long red hair. If I remember right he was a bass guitar player and said his bass playing sounded like Motor Heads :)

Back in those early days of Warbirds I always flew that 109 F4. In the Full Real mode if you knew how to fly it well you could fight with almost anything. You could always find a way some how to get your enemy. After I left I hear the flight models went kind of kapput though.

Music
 

Music will be, but you may always to replace it by own or to switch off.

Good music creating some mood. Depending of human character and age the music is different for the creation of mood.

I personally always prefer good hard rock if its background... just for the mood. However with the great attention I'm listening on my hi end euipment only art and progressive rock.

I also accept old symphonic orchestra music in WWII films and also WWII theme games... But then if it is possible - will listen just couple of times and will replace by my favorite, instrumental.

I know several songs that were inspired by Il-2 (Russian and English languages).... Good to use in trainings :):):):):)

Today will be small update. No time. And version in rebuilding. Making on previous version.

Anything will be great! :)

Dont worry Oleg. Anything will be wellcome. Thank you for keep posting it.

Great - a small movie will be fine ;)

Prog Rock
 

Hi Oleg - If you like progressive rock music, could I be as bold as to suggest you check out Porcupine Tree, if you have not already. They are excellent.

Oh man,

you don´t have to suck up to Oleg :-P

Thats not the way to get SOW earlier.

I always found the Big Band and instumental background music from Janes' WWII Fighters to be very effective at creating an imersive mood!

Cheers!

Hi Oleg!Thanks for updates,your team do a great work.What version are you talking about?Does it mean the ultimate build of SoW is in process? :rolleyes:

С уважением.

Some seriously expensive hobby's with the photography as well :grin:

As for me I like the music in Over Flanders Fields.
( And hoping they switch over to the SOW engine )

Has to be orchestral!! I quote one of my friends who is a classic movie buff and has worked at Rogers Video for 20 years. "You can see Henry Fonda coming over the hill in a Willys Jeep" He was listening to that "Wings Of Prey" theme.

+1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whether orchestral or commercial, it's got to be music of the period for me.
Chasing a 109 and listening to Flanagan and Allen's 'Run Rabbit Run' or cruising at height with the Andrews sisters is great fun!

I have all their CD disks. As well as some in DVD-Audio multi channel format.

He he - well, I have always known you are a man of taste ;)

In my music system I have 2 top Soviet 20+ age LP players (which is still better than some of modern for the 5 000+ usd) I just replace the heads in time. Digital formats player from top of Yamaha, Amplifiers: MZ series Yamaha (multichannel) and completely selfmade in the past two channels (still better from what I can buy in comparison). Main speakers are selfmade using some expencive heads with berillium, surround speakers from 300 to 600 series of B&W.

Sound of lamp amplifiers - not for me. Not for rock... No in principle due to addition to original sound terrible harmonics distrotion type.

2 Question for Oleg :
Will pilots, but also other people change expression? Like scared or happy? It would be really awesome to see frightened crewmembers of a He 111 when a Hurri is shooting at them.
Will your flight leader tell in the debriefing what you did good or wrong in a dogfight and what things you have to practise?
Thank you for all your great work.

yes it would be nice to, if its possible to pick one's nose, if the pilots are bored.

:roll:

Nice :)

I'm down to about 1200 LP due to living smaller.
I used tubes in the past but only for mid and high & was very good for rock.
Only problem now I've moved i can't get the crossovers for the low dialed in.

So back to an old Sony Esprit :rolleyes:

BTW IL2 doesn't sound too bad over them either although the neighbours didn't appreciate it too much.:oops:

We have it in code in some ways modelled. But I really don't know yet will it or no going in release....
Some things that were programmed but not tested very well will be cutted. Like it was with Il-2. So if not going then it should be in some add-on I think.

I already know what the things (approx) will be in the first add-on :)

Some thing like it was with the first add-on of Il-2, but probably more intersting :)

Getting MORE interesting all the time! :grin:

Thank you for the answer. Keep going your good work!:grin:

Hi Chaps,

Oleg I read an account last night where the hurricane and spit would emit dark exhaust smoke when the engine spluttered during negative G due to the carburetter float. The smoke was caused by too strong a mixture for a short period. Any chance you could put that in.

Lookiin forward to it thanks Moby

Oleg, please look at this post...the link shows animations of Engish coastal defences in great detail. I took screenshots, but the animations show more:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...5&postcount=25

Mr Maddox would you be able to say any more about the sound engine, I'd love to know if the sound engine is going to give more detail than in IL2, like having more samples playing at once and at better bit rates over IL2 etc
Thank you very much for all your efforts to keep the community up to date with your work.

More screenshots from those animations (coastal defences).

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...6&postcount=26

+1

The best soundtrack to a WW2 flight sim has got to be the sound of the engines themselves! Get that right and it increaes the immersion factor for me.
I just prefer to listen to music on my Hi-Fi, not in the 'pit of whatever I feel like flying.

Can't wait to get today's "small update".

It's getting late...

I seem to recall EAW to be quite imersive with the briefing, hanger, and nissen huts ect, from memory you could switch a radio on while at your bunk for some period music and news bulletins.... it was quite a while ago, it was like a golden era of flight sims, so many being released, and in development!

Craig

Same with me :) However I was speaking about music in possible intro, menus, etc

Back in Black from AC/DC .. for the intro ;)

Edit: ac dc live wire for the menus

A historic flight simulation should not have intro music from AC/DC (that sucks!), but rather appropriate sound tracks.

Did you read what oleg said...you may choose your song for you, like in IL2 ... its was just what i like and my setting in this sim. When i fly, i only want to listeen the engin... nothing else ;) I doubt about lily Marlen in special compact music machine... ;) its historical.

P.S.Cheaps shoot from you, didn t like its very much

P.S.S. Again, i hope you can understand my english, sry for that :)

Perhaps contemporary radio news bulletins, say BoB related from BBC for RAF flyers, (eg "Yesterday a large force of enemy bombers attacked a convoy off the North Foreland but were beaten off by RAF fighters, one small vessel was damaged but managed to seek shelter in Dover harbour.......), with similar from appropriate German stations for Lufwaffe, etc.