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David198502 10-10-2012 09:41 AM
yeah i had the same problem...i found a couple of articles....one was stating, that the B-Patrone was designed for the Luftwaffe....
you are right that it was indeed forbidden to use this kind of ammo for quite a while, until the germans noticed that russian marksmen were using some similar explosive ammo...only then it was used in infantry as well.

some of the articles say as well, that it was a superiour type to the Pmk, but expensive to produce, so that it was used rarely...however, ill have to talk to pitti again, as he has found a site, with historical loadouts for the 109

Osprey 10-10-2012 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by macro (Post 467390)
With alot of dewild ammo this is how most of my kills are happening now.
I know you are a good flyer Macro but DeWilde was in short supply. Historically you shouldn't have more than a single gun loaded, maybe two if you're lucky.:shock: Anything more is non-historic, but that's your choice of course.

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Originally Posted by Luno13 (Post 467540)
The Hurri has a tank in the nose, and one in each wing.
The common problem for the Hurricane was that when the wings were hit there was no bulkhead between the wing and cockpit, so fuel would just pour into the cockpit floor directly. When it caught fire the pilot was literally sat in a vat of petrol (100 octane of course.....).

Ze-Jamz 10-10-2012 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Attila (Post 468116)
last night i was flying for one and a half hour on ATAG. Killed 4 Spits. After landing i saw the damageprotocol and there was alot of damages! btw, nice feature this protocol on ATAG:)!
That's nice..

Ammo used? Because if you say you are using Beo's then that is even more confusing as this should be a uniformed problem?

As I was testing these issues I had nothing loaded other than B's and tracer

David198502 10-10-2012 10:43 AM
well ze-jamz,i think that loading tracers, should lead to a different result than loading B-Beobachtung only...

Ze-Jamz 10-10-2012 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by David198502 (Post 468163)
well ze-jamz,i think that loading tracers, should lead to a different result than loading B-Beobachtung only...
Just jamz mate :)

Too a small degree yes..fyi 1 in every 10 was tracer so I doubt the difference is anything other than minute

Robo. 10-10-2012 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by David198502 (Post 468149)
yeah i had the same problem...i found a couple of articles....one was stating, that the B-Patrone was designed for the Luftwaffe....
you are right that it was indeed forbidden to use this kind of ammo for quite a while, until the germans noticed that russian marksmen were using some similar explosive ammo...only then it was used in infantry as well.

some of the articles say as well, that it was a superiour type to the Pmk, but expensive to produce, so that it was used rarely...however, ill have to talk to pitti again, as he has found a site, with historical loadouts for the 109
Yes I found that info, too. Russian ammunition was different but you're right, this kind of ammunition was quite popular with snipers because of the extended range and very favourable ballistic coeficient.

If you can share the website Pitti found that would be great.

Ze-Jamz 10-20-2012 10:06 AM
fellas has this situation changed with the patch?

Flown red couple of times so havent tested them yet online

has anyone?

Insuber 10-20-2012 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 468042)
I took an E-1 up today and loaded it with Beo's and tracer...No Dmg whatsoever to online Spits but did Dmg AI bombers..

I come up on a Spit's high 6 who didnt see me and peppered him with all 4 guns, I could see the impacts but no DMG was shown neither was he Dmg's...I expended all my ammo in the end fighting him untill i made a run home..

landed and stats said no Dmg..

Before that I hit (or thought i did) approx 3-4 Spits through the night but didnt bring any down, just thought I was unlucky as nothing was showing on stats...

either way not good..I wont be loading them for online play again, they work fine and as they should offline and on AI as i said..

Strange
I shot a Spit Ia on ATAG 2 days ago from some 75-50 m, dead six, MG+cannon with no Beobachtung, only AP-IET and a mix of m-Geschoss and AP-HE for the cannons, a long burst before he dove away, and the damage report showed only a "weapons damage". I believe that shooting from dead six reduces greatly (too much) the effectiveness of rounds.

Cheers!

Ze-Jamz 10-20-2012 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Insuber (Post 471319)
I shot a Spit Ia on ATAG 2 days ago from some 75-50 m, dead six, MG+cannon with no Beobachtung, only AP-IET and a mix of m-Geschoss and AP-HE for the cannons, a long burst before he dove away, and the damage report showed only a "weapons damage". I believe that shooting from dead six reduces greatly (too much) the effectiveness of rounds.

Cheers!
rgt..

Beo's are the most effective ammo in Mg's imo... I hope they have fixed that problem

notafinger! 10-20-2012 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 471320)
rgt..

Beo's are the most effective ammo in Mg's imo... I hope they have fixed that problem
I find the E-1 using 80% AP to be extremely effective. Parts flying off and pilot kills are common.


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