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C6_Trollbug 06-22-2008 06:19 PM

@ Eckhart : here are some technical infos about the rudder :

- every moving axis is ballbearing mounted
- 1 Hall effect sensor for the rudder , 1 cermet pot for each brake
- 2 strong traction springs for the rudder , dampered by 2 double-action ( push-pull ) linear oil dampers
- 2 linear gas dampers for the brakes
- 2 kinds of soles : Luftwaffe soles , or modern jets soles (Jaguar ;-) )
- very rugged engineering

http://www.tarmac-aces.com/

revi 06-22-2008 08:29 PM

Is there a gap in the market ? Somewhere between the beautiful Tarmac Aces and the Saitek X52? I also think with the coming game releases the timing couldnt be better.

By the way C6, your gear looks awesome.

C6_Krasno 06-22-2008 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revi (Post 44506)
Is there a gap in the market ? Somewhere between the beautiful Tarmac Aces and the Saitek X52? I also think with the coming game releases the timing couldnt be better.

By the way C6, your gear looks awesome.

There are, at least, the Cougar and the CH Products. And I would like to give a precision : Trollbug is the only C6 in Tarmac Ace ;)

Eckhart 06-23-2008 12:53 AM

CH is a good medium choice! Cougar is crap unless you rebuild it completely and than it cost a lot of bucks!
Eckhart

Kernalklink 06-24-2008 08:28 AM

You get what you pay for. If you want the best, that setup is priced exactly where it should be. If you want to buy cheap junk, buy it but don't complain about someone that has built a masterpiece and charges about what it costs to make it. "I would never pay that much for blah blah blah whine whine whine"

Feuerfalke 06-24-2008 09:31 AM

It's always a question how much you want to invest in your hobby. Of course you can do racing in a VW Golf, but you can also do in a Ferrari. Neither doesn't mean you will win the race, though.

This hardware is really great for immersion and to get a better feeling for the plane. Good hardware isn't cheap, we all know that and there is always a market for it.
For me and at the moment, that would make little sense and I can fly pretty good with my modded X52. If I'd play nothing but IL2 or flightims, I'd definitely consider to build a virtual cockpit and if I flew the 109 only or at least primarily, I'd even consider using this hardware. You can't get much closer.

revi 06-24-2008 09:51 AM

I can fly pretty good with my modded X52.

Youve moddified youre X52???

Feuerfalke 06-24-2008 10:04 AM

Sure.

I removed the original spring and replaced it by one with a smaller diameter. That way the disk that centers the stick has much less friction against the metal stick and moves smoothly over the complete distance (just like the X52Pro).

I also removed the magnet-housings on the X&Y axis and fixed one of the magnets to the part that formerly moved the parts moving the magnets. Less moving parts = more precision, one magnet = linear input.

You can see the effect in the gamecontroller-settings. If you move an unmodified stick, the input values are dampened, so if you move the stick in a circle, the cursor will not make a circle, but a diamond-shaped figure. It's impossible to move the cursor into the corners on 99% of the sticks. If you modify the stick like that, you have a very precise stick and a full range of movement available.

This is how the modification is done:
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=21199&page=7

(It requires a bit of fiddling around and get the right position and facing of the magnets, so you better know what you're doing and consider if it's worth it. On the bright side, though, you don't need any electronic skills and you can easily revert the modification. You will lose guarantee, though, when opening the stick!)

C6_Trollbug 06-24-2008 10:16 AM

@ Eckhart :
I forgot to give you the measure of the rudder :

23 inches wide , between the outsides of the soles . Like a real one .

Eckhart 06-24-2008 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C6_Trollbug (Post 44577)
@ Eckhart :
I forgot to give you the measure of the rudder :

23 inches wide , between the outsides of the soles . Like a real one .

Hi Trollbug,
Thx for the information!
Did you get my private message?:grin:
I tried to contact "Tarmac-Aces" before but our communication was interrupted..:(
Could you help me out or redirect me?
Many thanx,
Eckhart


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