OK no problem ;-), but Krupi was clearly kidding, IMO.

Based on the specifications of 500 km/h for the Bf 109E series with DB 601Aa (with 1045 PS), the resulting extra power of the DB 601N (1175 PS, and much more at altitude) in the E-4/N should be good for about 515 km/h at SL.

At the critical altitude of 4800 m the E-4/N has 1175 PS compared to 960 PS of the DB 601Aa, so the E-4/N is probably good for about 600 km/h at altitude.

Going a bit off topic guys... this was about spit vs 109 turning and speed not every other planes Octane and speed rating! ;)

Sure clearly you are not biased :P

No metter it is typical here so i dont care :)

Yes because if it was the 109 behaving like the old spit 2 I would have replaced red with blue... :-P

Anyway lets get back on topic.

Can you give us the relative energy states at the start of the fight?
What was your altitude? What was the 109's one?
The speed of both?

Not confirmed. Only think confirmed for me is that serial 109 E at 1.3 Ata ( 5 minutes emergency power) could do 467-475 km/h at sea level.

And power ratings between 601Aa and 601N ( 109 E) are not too much different at low alts but if someone could read lol:

Db601 Aa

http://kurfurst.org/Engine/DB60x/datasheets/601Aa.jpg

Db601N ( 109 E)

http://kurfurst.org/Engine/DB60x/dat.../601N_Emil.jpg

I warmly encourage red pilots to fly blue and blue fly red, at least for a couple of hours online. This will show you that there is no "magical" plane in this game, and tactics and skills make still largely the difference, in both fields.
Except for engine life at 3000 sustained rpm and for the limited ammo of the 8 brownings, I have found the Spit IIa being an awesome plane, and one can have a lot of success on her.

I can't speak for the other Spit types as I didn't fly them enough in the new patch.


Cheers!

*sigh*

That's your opinion, Kwiatek.

And this is Messerschmitt AG.'s opinion on the matter.

http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test...w_109V15a.html

http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test...15a_blatt6.jpg

http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test...chreibung.html


G e s c w i n d i g k e i t s - L e i s t u n g e n:


Höchtsgeschwindigeit in 0 m 500 km/h
in 1000 m 510 "
in 2000 m 530 "
in 3000 m 540 "
in 4000 m 555 "
in 5000 m 570 "
in 6000 m 565 km/h
in 7000 m 560 km/h


http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test..._Bau_speed.png

Bei den Geschwindigkeiten ist eine Toleranz von +/- 5 % vor-
zusehen. Die Leistungen sind auf Cina-Temperatur gerechnet.



S t e i g z e i t e n.


Steigzeit auf 1000 m 1,0 Minuten
auf 2000 m 1,9 "
auf 3000 m 3,0 "
auf 4000 m 3,8 "
auf 5000 m 4,9 "
auf 6000 m 6,3 "

http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test..._Bau_climb.png

Bei den Steigzeiten ist eine Toleranz von +/- 8 % vorzusehen.
Leistungen sind auf Cine-Temperatur gerechnet.

Yea you start again with prototypes and folder data not for serial planes. Serial 109 E test proff different results - 467- 475 km/h at 1.3 Ata (990 PS). Nothing new to me and no sense to disccussion these again.

BTW

109 T-2 with Db601N in May 1941 reached at 1.35 Ata 2600 RPM - 1175 PS ( maximum emergency power) 490 km/h at the deck.

So i think for 109 E-3/4 at 1.4-1.45 Ata ( 1- minut emergency power) it is possible 490-500 km/h at the deck for a while ( less then 1 minut) nothing more.

For comparsion serial Spitfire MK1 at +12 lbs could do 505 km/h at the deck but for longer time ( 5- minutes).