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jermin 01-25-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorin (Post 384331)
Maybe that is because you are one?

MW50 was not meant to allow you to stay longer in a fight, it was meant to allow you to get your ass back home in one piece. It should allow the pilots to get out of a nasty spot in the fastest way, helping to cool/prevent further heating of the engine in level flight or shallow dives/climbes at max rated power.

You really are not able to present yourself in any way as a respectable contributor to the present argument.

What creative thoughts! You thought those German aces earned that multitude of kills by running home to mama?

No offense. But now I begin to doubt your sanity.

swiss 01-25-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jermin (Post 384336)
What creative thoughts! You thought those German aces earned that multitude of kills by running home to mama?

No offense. But now I begin to doubt your sanity.

It's not like they singlehandedly attacked a whole fighter wing and shot down most them*.
It was either hit and run, one to one, or the the foxhunt tactics.

* that did happen, but then it was one German state of the art fighter vs many soviet pos planes.

Zorin 01-25-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jermin (Post 384336)
What creative thoughts! You thought those German aces earned that multitude of kills by running home to mama?

No offense. But now I begin to doubt your sanity.

No, you are of course quite right, they stayed in their fights against multiple opponents until their engines blew up in their faces and out of respect the enemies darted their planes in the ground as a farewell to them while they were gliding back to base.

God, you are so stupid words fail me...

jermin 01-25-2012 03:35 PM

Well, you two said it as if you have been through the war. Can you please provide some proof to support your argument?

swiss 01-25-2012 03:41 PM

zorin or me?
There are tons of yt vids to confirm this.

I think it was a vid of Hartmann(or whoever collided with a la or lagg midair) where he said:
"I used to say to my fellow pilots; many dogs catch the rabbit, hahaha".

jermin 01-25-2012 03:44 PM

Video? LOL

Seriously, how old are you?

Luno13 01-25-2012 03:49 PM

Well, in Il-2 WM 50 works a little differently and is only associated with higher boost settings. Don't expect to be able to run 10 minutes of high boost just because WM 50 is engaged with absolutely zero consequences, especially if you're slow and turning ;)

If you do some reading as well you will find that the max continuous operation time could vary, and be as little as 5 minutes. There was a required "cold-down" period before it could be engaged again. Engines that went to full boost for any practical length of time developed cracks and fouled spark plugs and had to be overhauled. Engines that went to full boost without the WM 50 would have seized within a few minutes.

Anyway, I did a quick run in a Bf-109, and it was a full two minutes before the "Overheat!" message appeared (it is a bit conservative, BTW). A little over 15 minutes later, the fuel ran out (I spawned in the air with 50%). There was no loss of RPM or manifold pressure throughout the time that WM50 was engaged.

So what exactly is the problem again?

swiss 01-25-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jermin (Post 384350)
Video? LOL

Seriously, how old are you?

Videos, thats the device with which you can record pictures and voice of people, sometimes they call it interview.
Although it might surprise you, some German aces survived the war - and later gave interviews.
You can find those now on yt, as "videos".

Zorin 01-25-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by swiss (Post 384354)
Videos, thats the device with which you can record pictures and voice of people, sometimes they call it interview.
Although it might surprise you, some German aces survived the war - and later gave interviews.
You can find those now on yt, as "videos".

swiss, just ignore him, he isn't worth the bother.

Jumoschwanz 01-25-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar (Post 384168)
Just stop flying with WEP (resp. MW50), auto prop pitch and 110% trottle!!!
No plane/engine was designed to fly at maximum output for 10 minutes!
Differently asked: Why I don't have the problems to fight successfully online and offline?

Caspar is dead right on this. I have been friends with an actual WWII engineer for all my life, Pete. He flew fighters and bombers and was in on the development of the B-17 and B-29 and worked directly for Hap Arnold.
He said that any aircraft that came back to base and had used WEP, as in breaking the wire at the end of the throttle quadrant to get to WEP, that engine in that aircraft was removed from service to be either overhauled, scrapped or used for parts, the aircraft was not sent back into combat with it.

Also I have worked on internal combustion engines my entire life and know a LOT about them. Even now there is no form of racing where engines are run at WOT for more than a minute or two, everyone has to shut down for turns or the end of the drag-strip or Bonneville salt flats. And sixty years later with all our technology, blown engines are common in the highest levels of motorsports.

If you are zooming and booming in an aircraft and want to keep the engine cool and maintain performance, you have to adjust the prop pitch throughout the entire process. When you are diving and the engine rpms go up you have to change pitch to lower rpms, and when you are zooming back up you have to watch rpms and change pitch to increase them and get the best climb. If you keep one prop pitch in a fight that sees your speed changing from 200km/hr through 700+km/hr, then you are either not going to get all the performance you could be, or you will hurt your engine.

WWII pilots had one engine to get them hundreds or thousands of miles to battle and then back home again, how do you think they treated it?

War Emergency Power was just that for emergencies, the last thing to do to save your life and get home, it was not a combat tool but a defensive feature.

Early B-29s blew entire cylinders off their engines right through the cowling on take-off without even going into WEP.

These pilots were very smart and educated individuals that knew everything about the aircraft they were flying. My friend Pete graduated from Yale University for engineering. Dummies did not get to fly fighter aircraft in WWII, and they will not be able to hack flying REALISTIC settings in IL2 Sturmovik, especially as more realistic features are added to it over time.

If you can not handle flying IL2 on hard settings, then you can merely switch them off and fly settings and fly and host servers that match your caliber......:) Or, you can create a mod-pack that changes IL2 into your personal version and interpretation of WWII history such as UP and HSFX......


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