later perhaps, in some years...... replacement for their Su-30.
but now there is a competition for a "medium" Multirole Fighter, and the last ones are the Typhoon and the Rafale for that.

We have F18. It's save to assume they are the best maintained F18 on the planet.
Yet, we still have only 50% availability.


For the this price and 2011?


The F22 is not available for Export, the way it looks right now they end production next year.
Given the fact they don't sell it, there's no need to discuss it.


But outturnig a spit is an achievement?
I guess future Typhoon upgrades include the ability to outrun Mig 21s. :D


I only know of the F117 lost in combat.
Then again, it was shot down by an elite AAA unit.
It actually only proves the existence of the golden shot, nothing more, nothing less.



Actually I hope we buy the Grippen.
You get 2 of them for each eurofighter, double availability.
They are cheap to operate and idiotproof
Not EU
Not USA

In case we have to wait a few years maybe we should evaluate the Pak-Fa too, although they could be a bit oversized for this tiny country.

BTT:
What money? Stole from whom? Since 1911?

Fleet availability is something that has little to do with how dependable an aircraft is. It might be down to maintenance routines, costs or other operational issues. Considering the know-how and experience of pilots and ground crews, I'd rather switch to the Super Hornet than change fleet completely.


And that's my point. The Eurofighter is the best multi-role jet money can buy at the moment. The F-22 wasn't sold cos THAT is a flop, and other than the technical snags, it's mainly cos the fleet maintenance costs the American taxpayers A LOT.

no, I didn't mean it in that way, I just find the manouverability of modern jets is outstanding, I'm sure an F-22 or a Su-27 could do as good.

no, they used extremely long wavelengths and spotted the F-117 when it opened the bomb bays. The plane was damaged by a proximity fuzed missile. This proves once again that when the American boast about new technologies, they do it too much and kill the surprise factor. AA units in Serbia were well aware of the existence of the stealth bomber, and used their skill and initiative shooting down a plane that had never been hit before.
Uh and for the record, the F-117 was retired in 2008 (in a somehow "stealth" fashion), to save one billion dollars for the F-22 program.. americans had been going in the wrong direction for quite some time now..

yeah good luck with that, I'm sure the SAF is thrilled to get their Saabs.. :rolleyes:
Yeah, another Russian gem :rolleyes: considering the size of Swiss airspace you really need something that is manouverable ;)
it was only a joke, I'm sure you're aware of the general impression the world has of Switzerland ;)

JG52Krupi said : India iirc are getting the Russian t-50

Humm I guess that you are one of those proud Russian or I might be wrong ;)

Yeah it's (again) a fantastic and ingenious Sukhoi design. Proud Russians can be.

My point in naming it by its Indian/Russian (oh sry) ... Russian/Indian) project' name instead was to attract readers on the prob funny tech transfers.

Lmao what an earth are you on about I am British for a start! :!: :confused:

what, i agree with him, oddly enough.

i do however, disagree with

Ah okay well typhoon should win hands down

Hmm, what I miss in this threat is the Chengdu J-10B to compare it with, let me say, half modern planes...:rolleyes:

What also is an important factor is the cost over the lifetime of your A/C.
For an example: if you buy a normal passenger jet (A320 or B737, doesn't matter which one) you pay 7-times the same amount for maintenance the next 30 years.

So for the military etat it's good to have one fighter with superp multirole ability with long life cells,cheap/fast production, low maintenance costs and good upgrade abilities.

The low/complicated production rate, the high maintenance costs/repairs and the low adaptivity to other roles killed the F-22.

The F-35 is set as a multirole A/C, but has also a low and complicated production rate. If you think the EU had to much fingers, the US is not an exception to that. For the reduction of mainenance cost it has only one engine, but that doesn't save your pilots (see starfighter in germany).

The Eurofighter ( also called Jäger-90 ) was initially designed as an interceptor plane. With the change of the cold war, also the role of it changed over the time.
From interceptor to multirole. Maintenance costs, long life cells also played it's part in the older getting Air fleets in europe. That all rised the price, through political nonsense.

Russia builds the best aerodynamical A/C without assisting computers in the world, there's no doubt about it. Also they have a building set system to adapt new parts for new variants. But the maintenance costs and the fuel costs are a pain in the A...

If someone has some good info about the Rafale, J-10 or others, please share them.

Well sry but tell me you are a British that add lemon slide in it's tea pot to explain me why my cristal ball had failed ?:rolleyes:

you can start there : http://rafale.freeforums.org/