David, If what we say makes no difference, do you understand that what ever you say makes no difference to what we do or say?

So, unless the mods say we have to stop or the forum is shut down, nothing is going to change, we will keep asking and complaining and you will keep moaning and complaining about us.

this is all we have. :)

Of course not!

But you're opinion that nothing people say will make any difference is completely flawed (here we go again...):

-Oleg: here's some development shots. RAF clothing and equipment is WIP etc
-Me (and others): ___ is wrongly modelled, it should be like______
-Oleg: PM sent

Queue e-mails being sent and a bunch of research being sent Oleg's way as well. In fact, a lot of what the community says will have an effect, and the team has a history of using a lot of what the community says (and even what the community does) effectively.
Please, David, do some research before posting statements which have no credibility whatsoever.

Anyway, see Luthier's quote in Furb's signature, as it really does express all we need to know.

That is painfully obvious.

See above.

Helping with research is not even close to being the same as helping fix bugs.

Oh, and polls about more progress reports do absolutely nothing to help fix bugs.

Of course it doesn't help to fix bugs! But the communities point of view/opinions/knowledge helps to fine-tune the product. And a lot of areas need considerable fine-tuning.

The devs don't seem to share your views on that.

Check my sig David.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about polls asking if you want more progress info from the devs. Or people posting that Luthier doesn't respect us. Or people regularly announcing that they predicted that the game would have problems. Do you think that's what he meant?

I think it means exactly what it says, where as what you wrote is putting words in his mouth.

Anyway come on our TS 2 and lets have a chat.

Naah. Our opinions matter. I do think some opinions have been worn out by abuse and that's a reflection on poor communication by many parties on this forum - me included at times.


This reminds me of a surgical procedure. The patient has done his part by physically preparing for surgery. The surgeons and staff have done what they can during the operation. Unfortunately there have been complications and even though the doctors are doing as much as they can, progress reports are moot because there hasn't been enough progress since the set back to inform the patient's family. It's tough waiting during that time.