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Masi67 03-24-2011 11:26 AM
We already have options to make il2 ( and CoD ) easier for new comers. So what is the point of this thread?:) Even really relaxed setting servers are available in Il2.

What I don't want is that this guy in video suggested gettings some new equipments to your plane when you get more kills, something like 20x20mm to your B17 (if I understood it right), or even jet engines.

That would be like Crimson Skies, fun but different game and different market :)

Getting cumulative killmarks to your plane would be nice effect, but I dont't know if it is included in CoD or how difficult it would be to implement.

-m

jameson 03-24-2011 11:32 AM
Kill streaks... Survive ten missions and get a change of underwear?

jimbop 03-24-2011 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Masi67 (Post 238211)
We already have options to make il2 ( and CoD ) easier for new comers. So what is the point of this thread?:) Even really relaxed setting servers are available in Il2.

What I don't want is that this guy in video suggested gettings some new equipments to your plane when you get more kills, something like 20x20mm to your B17 (if I understood it right), or even jet engines.

That would be like Crimson Skies, fun but different game and different market :)

Getting cumulative killmarks to your plane would be nice effect, but I dont't know if it is included in CoD or how difficult it would be to implement.

-m
The point? Listen to Luthier's comments about how IL-2 was not easy enough to get into. Just interested in ways this could be achieved. I already said I don't think the kill streaks would be particularly good.

major_setback 03-24-2011 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Baron (Post 238203)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The game developer must do everything in its power to make this game as hard as possible to make sure as few people as possible will even bother with it.

That way we can all have that "select few" club we all so much yearn for.

The plus side of that is, of course, that we will have to wait 12-16 months for each update/addon due to money constraints.

They sould also make sure that everyone have to play with the same settings on every single server available. Goes without saying it has to be full real settings, naturally.

Futher more u should have to register your product number for your Track ir5 and Saitek rudder pedals or the game wont start.

Anyone who cant bother with FR isn't cut out for this and should so* off.
+1

Masi67 03-24-2011 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbop (Post 238214)
The point? Listen to Luthier's comments about how IL-2 was not easy enough to get into. Just interested in ways this could be achieved. I already said I don't think the kill streaks would be particularly good.
Point is that they have implemented it:) If someone is not interested to take the learning curve from easiest settings to hardest, then they are just not into WW2 era combat sim games. Or flying for that matter in any form:)

These type of games just are not for casual gamers. It is just a matter of attitude, even in easiest level. Old timers blow new comers from sky, you either take the beating and learn, or you get frustarted and leave the game.

It is just part of human nature:)

-m

DD_crash 03-24-2011 11:48 AM
Surely the point is to get casual players up in the air and giving a taste of the action very quickly. The tricky bit is to get them to feel that they are missing out if they are flying on wonderwoman view and unlimited ammo :)

speculum jockey 03-24-2011 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbop (Post 238155)
This is a good example of the elitism I was talking about. I prefer full real servers - way to make someone feel welcome!
JG52Krupi is a good example of a tw@t who you'd never want to play online with or meet in real life because he'd be insufferable.

I'm guessing his views on education are that we shouldn't be teaching this "ABC and 123 bullsh!t", but start the newbs off with University level courses.

I don't understand their reasoning when they say they do not want options that might allow newcomers to join our ranks. It in no way affects their game, but they still don't want others to have it their way. Do they insist that the places they eat only serve the one meal they like and nothing else?

It's like half this forum watch Rainman and decided to model their lives after him.

JG52Krupi 03-24-2011 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 238228)
JG52Krupi is a good example of a tw@t who you'd never want to play online with or meet in real life because he'd be insufferable.

I'm guessing his views on education are that we shouldn't be teaching this "ABC and 123 bullsh!t", but start the newbs off with University level courses.

I don't understand their reasoning when they say they do not want options that might allow newcomers to join our ranks. It in no way affects their game, but they still don't want others to have it their way. Do they insist that the places they eat only serve the one meal they like and nothing else?

It's like half this forum watch Rainman and decided to model their lives after him.
Well thanks for that!!!

Love how you can make such generalisations about me from a few posts, I was only conveying my surprise that you can control an aircraft with 4 buttons like in battlefield 1942 am I not allowed to think this is not good for a simulation genre game....

For a keyboard gamer they will have to have keyboard only servers as joystick players will dominate them and that will not endear them to this game.

I started off on il2 as an open cockpit flyer and ended up flying in closed cockpit matches, if I can do that then why does the game need to be made any simpler?

But thanks again for the insults, I welcome new players but not at the risk of the of dumbing down the genre....

meshuggahs 03-24-2011 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 238228)
JG52Krupi is a good example of a tw@t who you'd never want to play online with or meet in real life because he'd be insufferable.

I'm guessing his views on education are that we shouldn't be teaching this "ABC and 123 bullsh!t", but start the newbs off with University level courses.

I don't understand their reasoning when they say they do not want options that might allow newcomers to join our ranks. It in no way affects their game, but they still don't want others to have it their way. Do they insist that the places they eat only serve the one meal they like and nothing else?

It's like half this forum watch Rainman and decided to model their lives after him.
Il-2 on the easier settings is far from rocket science. If one is not ready to fly it on that setting, then he/she is not ready for simming in any degree.

I dont see why the dev team should go out of their way to make an ultra-unrealistic mode when all these years they have worked hard in the opposite direction to create an authentic flying model.

Easy mode, yeah sure. It's there.
PEWPEW LAZORZ N LVLUPZ, hell no!

JG52Krupi 03-24-2011 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by meshuggahs (Post 238238)
Il-2 on the easier settings is far from rocket science. If one is not ready to fly it on that setting, then he/she is not ready for simming in any degree.

I dont see why the dev team should go out of their way to make an ultra-unrealistic mode when all these years they have worked hard in the opposite direction to create an authentic flying model.

Easy mode, yeah sure. It's there.
PEWPEW LAZORZ N LVLUPZ, hell no!
Exactly, if they want to fly like that there are plenty of much more open games such as battlefield 1942 that they can "fly" in.


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