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Originally Posted by David603 (Post 228716)

Drat, been looking everywhere for the Igromir video that had 4 Spitfires in the Menu (all with 3 bladed props) and I seem to remember seeing the MkIb in the menu of one of the pictures of the update from Oleg that showed the whole Game Map, but I can't find either now.

Also, the list from the Gamer.ru preview only has 3 Spitfires now....

I guess we can settle this if someone can find the update thread that had the game map.

In the Igromir video there were indeed 4 Spitfire:

Spitfire Mk. I
Spitfire Mk. I Hea... (more was not displayed in the menu)
Spitfire Mk. Ia
Spitfire Mk. IIa

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Originally Posted by fruitbat (Post 228779)

personally i am surprised that oleg didn't go with an E1 and E4, which would of made the most sense to me.

imagine...in Rise Of flight we have Fokker DVII with mercedes D.IIIa and DVIIF with BMW IIIa engine, both very rare (spec. BMW variant) and most produced variant was DVII with D.IIIau engine....
so having E3 in BOB and not having E1 and E4 is very odd decision.....also
but like I said...I hope Oleg will introduce E1 and E4 soon after initial release...really hope so....

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Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks (Post 228786)

In the Igromir video there were indeed 4 Spitfire:

Spitfire Mk. I
Spitfire Mk. I Hea... (more was not displayed in the menu)
Spitfire Mk. Ia
Spitfire Mk. IIa

SWEET! the famous Spit mkI Heat-seeking AIM-9 Sidewinder version.

Oleg got my email after all! :lol:

Salute

The problem with trying to model an E4 as well as the E3 is it would require the model be redone, since the canopy and glass and some other details are different. I am surprised Oleg didn't model the E-1.

Drawing of E-1 and E-3:

http://www.airpages.ru/eng/draw/me109_2.shtml

Drawing of E-4:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8...09e4bigvi8.jpg

http://www.worldweapons.eu/2-Aviatio...E-4%20(rc).jpg

No, a 109 produced as an E-3 and got its MG-FF replaced with MG-FF/M became an E-4.
Wich canopy Maddox would use in a -1, -3 or -4 is totally unimportant. During BoB both canopy versions were used in all three armament variants.

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Originally Posted by Biggs (Post 228843)

SWEET! the famous Spit mkI Heat-seeking AIM-9 Sidewinder version.

Oleg got my email after all! :lol:

Maybe the full name is "Spit MkI Heartthrob", which includes the pilot and love interest model.

Or "Spit Mk1 Hear! help me get this broomstick out of my arse!"

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Originally Posted by Biggs (Post 228714)

You mind telling us where you saw the mkIb "confirmed"... As of the other day only the mkI, mkIa and mkIIa are going to be in the game.

Im not sure what Luthier means by mkI and mkIa but there was never a mention of any cannoned mkI version.

I for one dont care if its not in the game. Only 19 squadron got them and after the problems with it, went right back to 8 mgs.

I suspect one of the Spitfire Mk I versions is the version that only had 4 mg, and the other is the one with the full 8 gun wing.

As for all the "Why the E-3 and not the E-4?" I'm not seeing it. As near as I can tell, they are the same plane, with some differences in the internal fittings, and sometimes, but not always, a slightly different canopy, which means it requires both a new external 3D model, and a new internal 3D model. Making the E-4 is just going to tie up the 3D modelers for making a plane that's just like the other one.

I'm not seeing the price/performance ratio here.

I'm actually with Tree here. I believe Oleg will have E-4 - and I'll go further - I believe he'll have an E4/N.

JG26 for example, fought the Battle of Britan with mostly E-4's (all E-3's had been given up in refit), a few E-1's for some of the Enlisted pilots and some E-4/N's. Only a few Geschswader had the E4/N in inventory as it requires 96 (vs 87 octane) fuel. E-7's with drop tank capability don't show up until Novemeber, but I guess that doesn't mean they can't be there. BTW, sometimes even E-1's had E-4 canopies. Just because you have not seen it in screen shots, doesn't mean it won't be there.

As Frankyboy said earlier, there is no standard Bf-109 for all Geschwader/Staffeln in July-September 1940. I like the later E4 canopy better - as with this FM I'd prefer the armored glass considering most RAF will be shooting rifle caliber ammo (even though I imagine I can see better in the older canopy). More than anything else, it will be cool to check them both out.

There was a panic attack a few weeks ago about the Spit Mk IIA. Now that the beta reviews have been posted this week - we find the reviewers actually flew one.

Reading through all the forums lately, the mood is often smells more of Hyperventilating 7th graders than RAF and Luftwaffe pilots about to go head to head in one of the greatest air battles of all time.

Ahhh... the excitement of it all. Even if I don't get an E4/N - I'll still won't be breathing in a bag in the head. It's all like Christmas to me.

S!

Gunny

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Originally Posted by Voyager (Post 228895)

Absolutly no 3D work would be necessarry!
Just change the armament code from MG-FF to MG-FF/M. And the MG-FF/M is already included in CoD for the Bf110C-4 & C-7 !
My suggestion would be to skip the E-3 totaly (CoD is still not Gold i guess). And than later release an E-1. An E-1 would need external and internal work!

The later canopy cuold be made for 109E versions in possible MTO or easternfront scenarios.
For the BoB E-1, E-1/B, E-4, E-4/B would be the perfect setting IMHO. The now selected E-3s are a little bit questinable :)
But anyway, the difference between firing a mineshell or not is perhaps not so huge : D the E-3 has still canons ;)