Tracker devices are so commonly available now, that rejecting it seems pigheaded. I bet that everyone that voted no have never tried using a head tracker with IL-2.

Head tracking works also for 2DoF or 4DoF etc... 6DoF is not only about 'tracking device: yes or no'.

Maybe some are just satisfied with how the tracking does work now?

Some maybe, but not me and 82.68% of the people that voted in this topic until now. We can have 6DOF with some glitches. We want that. TD can make it available in 2 minutes. Why not?

I know the answer: "we have rigid standards of..."

Well, we consumers have ours to, and we know we can fly OK with 6DOF, we already do, it's up to OURS "rigid standards"...

I never saw in patching history one feature so needed, with all the consumers happy with some glitches, and devs that simply don't give that to us.

Amazing! And after all, I'm "rude"... Man, we need to beg a lot to 1C/Oleg/TD, and we receive things we don't want, like the "glorified" arming bomb fuse...

Maybe TD need to think a little about what people want...

No... I won't feel pissed. No... I won't....

See, I voted 'yes' too. But my 'yes' is definitly different from yours.
And 'your rigid standard' it out of my interest. Too low.

Too low for me is flying without 6DOF HT, when I can have it with a little mod.

But really I don't care. Maybe "vanilla" servers can consider the 6DOF mod "stock" and stop this discussion. TD must be ignored in this subject. 6DOF is out there, as a lot of "TD hard work"...

Simple. Boring discussion. Just an "insight" why modding is good, not bad as a lot of people in IL-2 community think...

That's an interesting reply, does that 'imply' that your personal view (not TD), is that an 'authorised' 6DOF mod/DLC would be your preffered solution and allow access to stock servers?

If so, a lot of us would be happy with that solution.

Its not only my own oppinion (speaking of the teams members), that 6DoF functionality, if made properly, would be a very nice feature indeed. We are neither blind nor dumb.
Its just the fact, that the mod-version isn't the way to go for us.

People not interested in immersion would be satisfied yes.

6DoF is useless without a head tracker. Goes hand in hand. ;)

This is more than likely true... but I'd be willing to bet that out of those who are satisfied with what we have now.. in the stock sim.. most of them have not tried the 6DoF as implemented in the mods.. and .. truthfully.. it is just not that bad.. certainly not as bad as so many who have never tried it make it out to be.. It is also limited in it's advantages. While it is true that anyone with any kind of head tracking has an advantage to some degree over someone using a hat switch.. as small as it may be, just as someone who uses a program like VAC to command their AI has a better interface than one using a keyboard.. (That's all I use VAC for) that advantage is as I said limited.. It is also an optionthat to some degree is available to anyone. The difference between having 6DoF and not having it is for me at least primarily purely immersive.. being able to look around a gauge.. Having to lean unto a gun sight in the case of a plane with an off center sight.. scanning the skies.. or the ground for that matter.. for friendlies.. bandits.. or home plate.. is just so much more immersive when I can lean in all the directions that my body can lean.

All that to me is more immersion... and the immersion gained is worth the immersion lost with the minor glitches.. Everyone keeps saying that all the pits would have to be repainted.. and that is just not true... The original screens of 6DoF were horrible... (I remember seeing one where the pilot's head was outside the cockpit in a 190.. ) but the final mod was tightened up to minimize that and keep things not only in the pit but minimizing the graphical glitches.... surely TD with the help of 1C can tighten that up a bit more where needed, considering that in most cases pilots were strapped in and truth be told they didn't have a whole lot of 6D movement.. but they did have some.. in the stock sim there is none..

The only reason I am going on about this is because I sincerely believe that if certain mods like 6DoF and some of the others I mentioned were incorporated into the stock sim... perhaps gradually at first .. but eventually more people would fly stock.. There will always be those who prefer mods... but believe me.. more would fly stock under the circumstances I mentioned, and that would mean that all the work TD is doing, great work I might add, would be beneficial to more of the community as a whole on a more regular basis.. Something to thunk about.. Regardless to what TD decides.. I will still fly modded and stock.. but if certain mods are added to the stock sim I will fly stock much much more.. and I think that the online community will as well...

This is also not meant to be a slam on mods... I believe that mods opened up a lot of possibilities in this sim and we would probably not be where we are now had it not been for the mods. Even though the widespread cheating that everyone was initially concerned about never occurred (a wonderful testament to the character of this community IMO) the fact still remains that the security of an official version of the sim, with many of the long requested features.. some which have already been added to the stock sim by TD and some which are only found in mods at the moment.. would go a long way towards unifying the online segment of this community in a manner that is not dependent on the individual mod communities, of which there are at least 4 major players, reaching some kind of mutual agreement.. I wonder if that is even possible considering, even though the level of acrimony between the various modding groups has gone down considerably to almost a whisper.. there is still a level of contention. With TD taking the initiative and being officially sanctioned by 1C it would be easier for them to work through any obstacles from some of these mods simply because they would have access to the source. They don't have to add every plane or every mod, just some of them, particularly some of the ones that they have put off the table at the moment. This way... if you were online... and you wanted a certain level of commonality that was pretty much guaranteed the stock version would be and indeed as it should be where the community at large would turn. As it is now that is not the case.

I believe that the creation of TD and it's sanctioning by Oleg is a bigger key to that unification than many initially realized.. and the fullness of the future of this franchise in it's golden years rests squarely in the hands of Oleg & TD and what they decide to do over the next year or so. Once CoD is released the count down will begin... slowly at first.. but steadily as more theaters are released under the SoW engine.. (I prefer to still call it that just to distinguish it from the original engine..). I don't think this sim will die for a long long time.. but I do think that as the better product expands... it will take from this community.. Either way the crown will stay with the king AFAIC.

Just food for thought.........

Well... with webcam head tracking, this immersive enjoyment is a small "price of 2 pizza" investment away. ;)