Noted, thanks. I do agree; reading through some of my posts, I did go red in the face. (I'm not being sarcastic here; it's embarassing for me to have to say this, too)

On balance, I believe that mods are doing a good job, and an uneasy one. A free forum can remain free only if all of us use tolerance. Only blatant insults and violations of forum rules should be deleted, and this is what mods are doing routinely, it seems to me.
If some guy really annoys me, I stop reading him, and I’m sure Oleg does the same.
My choice is number three: “just fine”.

In my opinion this gone for way too long. If your dog bites you once you forget and put it behind. You'll most likely forgive second time too. But if it bites you and everyone else every week, you put it to sleep. Is that simple.

An interesting analysis, and scarily down to earth when put like that! :grin:

I still think we should wait for the next update. The only thing is, just because the next update is devoid of argument doesn't mean the next one won't be....etc oh well.

your over posting here too 25% of replys :grin:

Why didn't you just search through Oleg's posts?

Remember...

This is a company forums. 1C develops and distributes products that people actually buy. The purpose of this forums is to promote and provide some support for 1C games.

Many posters are teenagers. Teenagers aren't very adroit communicators. It is very easy for them to sidetrack, and move off topic.

Oleg is very patient, sorting through the junk postings. We all know he makes timely postings about issues he is interested to share. Usually the update threads are pretty well exhausted after the first couple days, but Oleg or Luthier do post on later days when a posting tweaks their interest.

Several times we have tried to deal with troublesome posters. The only thing misguided posters seem to respect is BAN. Banning members really makes them mad, because for the most part these members don't really connect with the reason for the ban.

Best course of action is to report postings, or send a PM to moderator. Specifically identify the troublesome member and posting of concern. Every PM we get is dealt with and frequently a troublesome member is banned temporarily or permanently.

First time poster.
 

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

You need to post more often.....

Splitter

I agree with you, but when you have only maybe two same guys being responsible for all this, it should be a lot easier to just ban this usual suspects and spare Oleg and the whole community of all this drama.
We and Oleg don't owe nothing to this two three guys to have to put up with this every week.
Remember, the game is not out yet, they didn't pay a cent yet, so why should all the rest have to be hostage to them? We have to put up with people like this in real life all the time, because they are customers, contractors, employees, boses and sometimes familly members. We come here for fun in our spare time. We don't have to put up with this.