Agreed, choice is good, unless it cancels out the effects of (server enabled) turbulence / wake when you're online.

However, the dash is certainly not stable for me (or stabilised by eyes/brain) whenever I'm off-road. Hell, it's not even stable coming up my driveway (which is pretty much off-road ;) )

I can see what you're saying about the head position seeming to remain stable, whilst the plane bumps around (that is indeed true of sitting in front of a screen!). However, whether it's your head that is moving, or the plane that is moving, the relative movement is still the same - so it gets back to your statement about needing more than visuals to convince.

A better effect would be if the terrain moved around slightly but not as much as the air frame.

Turning the effects off is an essential option, as it was with the FFB gun shake, and stall flutter in IL2 which a lot of online players disable. Realistic or not is beside the point, some people simply will not put up with anything that interferes with shooting.

Maybe if we get one of those butt-kicker devices and strap it on our heads we'ld get a realistic vibration and our brains and eyes canh filter it our for us!

Real pilots didn't have an option to turn it off, and 'glued to the seat' really isn't something I'd like or want to see in IL2.

Reserve it for servers with easiest settings where newcomers fly.

Or is it what you want?

The ignore list is a wonderful tool.

Got about 9,000 hours here, in everything from Stearmans to Pitts to DC-3s to T-34s to Lears to Hawkers to PA38s to Barons to 1900s to (are you getting the picture yet?) and when you're getting a real good shaking, you sure as hell can't compensate enough to read the panel- it's just a blur. Some of that shaking was in some beautifully clear air, and some in some mighty dark clouds, and just every so often, it was because I tried to do something the airplane didn't like. When, and if, I have the chance to fly the Spit, I'll be sure to fly into the buffet and get back to you on the accuracy of the SOW buffet/shake.

I quite sure 10mins of "Ace in a day" on Hellbomber's Xbox must top that. He'll shortly be complaining there's no P51 in SOW. We'll just have to face up to the fact that when SOW comes out, this level of debate (ok, I'm stretching the point!) will be the norm as the unwashed short trouser brigade wade in with their "I saw it on tv once, so it must be true" mentality.
Regards

Looks to me that the vibration was just weather/turbulence related. Try shooting at a bomber while flying thru propwash and wingtip vortices. Now ad thermals and nasty convective weather and it will become a choir just to keep the plane right side up. At Erco, acording to the FAA you're supposed to keep those "mighty dark clouds 20 miles to your left or right....(hehe,8000hr freight dog here). If they're going to model the weather like that I hope they give us a sailplane at some point.

LMAO again!!! and im not sure why.