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KG26_Alpha 08-15-2010 08:58 PM

Its clear only in the sense that official records would have recorded the fact.

Field modifications and staffel state of flux account for lots of anomalies in whats is fact and recorded data.

The fact that the original Ju88 A1 in this thread apparently sunk as KG 30 and was raised as KG 100 kinda goes along with that.

;)

Flying Pencil 08-16-2010 04:04 AM

He-111 bottom gunner, same as 88A-1 has.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/...44a91c2ccd.jpg

Me in 111, taking notes. ;)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/...af8ec30ed0.jpg

Ju-88A-1 lower rear area, minus the gondola
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/...27cf475002.jpg

The corroded back panel in Ju88 inside...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/...f2e5247798.jpg

outside...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/...3ecf196d05.jpg

...and after removing it.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/...e5855db6ed.jpg


They where incredible and gave me a LOT of room to study and take pictures (note the top hatch is open!)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/...38f59d2469.jpg

robtek 08-16-2010 07:29 AM

Wonderful pictures!
More, more!! :-D

Flying Pencil 08-18-2010 02:34 AM

Hook of DOOOM! (should not be too hard to figure this out)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/...6b484a720b.jpg

Friendly_flyer 08-18-2010 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frantishek (Post 175337)
He-111 bottom gunner, same as 88A-1 has.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/...44a91c2ccd.jpg

Very nice!

Are the spent cartridges put in for show, or were they found there when the plane was raised?

Skarphol 08-18-2010 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friendly_flyer (Post 175663)
Very nice!

Are the spent cartridges put in for show, or were they found there when the plane was raised?

I'm pretty sure that is He 111P 5J+CN wich is in Gardermoen, if I'm right this plane wasn't raised but salvaged by helicopter from the mountains near Lesja.

Anyhow; I thought the whole purpose of that kind of MG-magazine was to collect all the spent cartrigdes in the right half? Having lots of empty cartrigdes flying around in the gondola while firing the gun must be very distracting for the gunner?

Skarphol

robtek 08-18-2010 04:45 PM

afaik there are rounds in both sides of the mag (75 each side), fed alternately, while the spent cartridges are ejected downward.

Flying Pencil 08-18-2010 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friendly_flyer (Post 175663)
Very nice!

Are the spent cartridges put in for show, or were they found there when the plane was raised?

Yes, exactly as they where found!!!1!1one!



Heck no! J/K! Laid there for show.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skarphol (Post 175664)
I'm pretty sure that is He 111P 5J+CN wich is in Gardermoen, if I'm right this plane wasn't raised but salvaged by helicopter from the mountains near Lesja.

Anyhow; I thought the whole purpose of that kind of MG-magazine was to collect all the spent cartrigdes in the right half? Having lots of empty cartrigdes flying around in the gondola while firing the gun must be very distracting for the gunner?

Skarphol

Correct, 111P 5J+CN, rescued off a mountain.
And robtek (below) correctly described the operation.

Normally there is a collection bag under the MG15, but few exist today.
BUT, the very low mounting of the MG15 puts it so close, in this case there is a door at the bottom, between the piles of casings, the gunner could open and dump them out the 111.

Quote:

Originally Posted by robtek (Post 175710)
afaik there are rounds in both sides of the mag (75 each side), fed alternately, while the spent cartridges are ejected downward.

Correct, 37 each side, 1 in middle. ;)

Friendly_flyer 08-18-2010 09:45 PM

Nice touch though. Hawing fired a few MG's in my life, the little heap of cartridges rally brings forth the "being there" feeling.


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