Ok maybe I didn't make this clear enough for you to understand me, the Server side settings are useless when HL is used, no matter what checks you use HL will circumvent them , so it may be true HL is not responsible however it is still enabling it to continue. Uniformed Dorks refers to the core group of people who still think that hackers are using some script to allow them to get into games where the mod is not allowed and cheat and going apeshit about how modding cheating hackers are ruining it for everyone. Yes I am venting about the stupid comments made here and at the Zoo as well as in the mod community 'cos everyone thinks that their opinion is the last and most important one , certainly my opinion could be wrong but it is only my opinion and by stating it, I now have to listen to your side: valid , or not and accept your side which you have a right to state but don't attack the messenger just hear what he has to say then decide, like maybe: "really I did not know this, thank you" or "this is old news and doesn't matter "

If that were true we wouldn't be having this discussion...Online players could have the floor to themselves and discuss whether Stronger Server administration or a third party developed server side file checking system would be the best way to protect future online play...

Unfortunately there is a gaggle of Online players who consistantly insult and offend anyone who believes in third party modification.
If they would just concede that use of third party modifications in either an Offline or controlled Online setting was acceptable and that the work of the developers of community generated Mods is an positive addition to the game we could all shake hands, smile and get abck to enjoying the game we all love.

As long as people like

Zapatister
El Laurens
Strewth
Rave
Baron

say things like

Then the debate will continue its long and tedious path...

LoL, keep spinning it, it might even come true some day. I could quote pages of insulting remarks from the "other" side all day long if u like.

And if u find a question insulting, dont awnser it AND dont pretend like its an insult..its a question, and a sarcastic one at that....learn to tell the differance and u`ll save us all time and energy.

And despite what u think, its post like this one from u, a post that spinns things to suite your own needs that keeps the ball rolling, nothing else.


Oh, and one more time just for u: The day some of "us" will agree and say "good job cracking the code to the ONLY online WWII combat flight sim out there" will be the day hell freezes over.

I could stop playing this game tomorrow and move on and i STILL wouldnt agree.


But u keep on pretending like u are the offended one...u give me a good laugh every time.


And finally, if u dont like beeing "insulted" dont talk about things here that will get u just that...if a question is an insult that is, a sarcastic question mind u. Im not saying what u can and can not talk about anywhere..but what do u expect? U got your awnser about what pople here at 1C think about this, if u want everyone to agree with u move on to the AAA site..its really that simple. Get over the fact that not everyone will agree with u and your friends no matter what u say, get over it and move on. Maby to the AAA site?

heres the Spin? Is it or is it not true that rather than agree that the problem with any and/or all Online cheating lies solely within the onnline community itself...the minority of online players have flipped the issue on its head...blaming Offline users of community generated Mods...making IL2 unique amongs all Simulators...a game where the production of new and improved free content by the community is critisised by a proportion of users?


How is this keeping the ball rolling...I, one of the most vocal on this thread and others agreed quite happily that the debare would become null and void if online players would agree to one simple and to me plainly obvious fact...The problem with Online CHeating is the sole responsibility of Online players...I for one don't see that as debatable!

Think thats been covered before. I for one wouldnt even know where to begin with that goldie.

So Offline players are responsible for causing Online Cheating?
I'd be interested in you explaining the mechanism for that...
If not, then as I said...the problem with online cheating is caused solely by and is solely the responsibility of, online players...

Yes, and the problem with murders lies soley in the hands of the murdurer.


Whats your point?


At least I didnt give the dude a gun.


Its irrelevant remarks like that that keeps the ball rolling.


P.S. Feel free to say im comparing modders to a killer....we need 20 more pages.

So why is this discussion going on in this thread,which looking at the title is for tracks only.There is another soundmod thread for discussion!How many threads do you want?

What keeps it rolling is the fact that you cannot accept basic facts that stare everyone else in the face...
My last two posts have stated something as un-controversial and obvious as "Online cheating is solely caused by Online players"
There should be no debate or questioning of that...yet twice you have posted questioning or trying to ameliorate that statement...
I will take it by your somewhat outlandish allegory (Online Cheaters = Murderers) that you don't have a mechanism by which Offline players can cause Online cheating...So i'll assume you agree with me on the statement "members of the Online Community are the only ones that can cheat other Online Players"
Unless you wish to disagree with that staement as well?

Ask a simple question.