I suspect that I fall within a large category of humble people for whom DX9 blah-blah-blah, DX10 blah-blah-blah, DX11 API (?) blah-blah-blah is pretty much geeky technofluff.

Comparisions invite bias but if you try and be objective and load up Cliffs and fly it for a mission then load RoF and do the same what is the huge difference ? in terms of category of game (beyond the fact that they represent different eras) they are pretty much the same product appealing to the pretty much the same category of gamer.

Where the two part company is the way in which they deliver their respective experiences. If playability (which to me covers stability, performance, looks and experience) over a large cross section of user PC's is the mark (and tbh thats how developers sell in numbers that please accountants) RoF all but kills Cliffs.

In terms of the visual experience RoF could be written in BBC basic for all I care, it has a look about it, both in terms of its terrain, clouds, models, effects etc that every so often still makes me do a double take. I (personally) have never once had that in CoD while looking out of the cockpit.

I have come to the conclusion that the mark has been missed so completely with this game the situation cannot be retreived, am I happy about that ?, God no, Me and about a dozen other friends were supposed to be playing the arse of this game months ago. So far time spent online as a squad- Zero.

On the basis that I don't play the game any more, have no interest in doing so and have got bored of the handbag fights here I'm going to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out.

Yes, ROF is stunning visually- so is COD. I have no way of knowing what graphics settings you are using, but COD is every bit as visually striking as ROF- and I am a huge fan of ROF. Different, yes, but only in approach, not in visual excellence. The graphics in COD (provided you have the hardware to take advantage of them) is one area where the devs hit it out of the park, period. The water, shadowing, shading, use of color, visual detail- in these areas, BOTH ROF and COD are truly phenomenal. And- if you really want to see what can be acheived in a DirectX10 environment vs, DX9, fire up FSX in DX9 then switch to DX10 compatibility- the difference will blow your socks off.
It is s difference one doesn't have to be a "geek" to appreciate.

This sums up the present situation for me and my squad too and I'm quite sure a fair few others also. I don't resent or regret the money I paid out to pre-order this game over a year ago now - I can put that down to experience but I'm regretfully coming round to the view that CoD will go the way of MS CFS3. I really really hope I'm wrong and I still hold out hope that sometime this year Ace of Aces will be able to open a "told you so" thread and recount some of the more luridly doom-laden posts that we've seen on these boards but alas that hope is diminishing.

Don't worry, the current alpha patch isn't even beta yet, just imagine how awesome the retail version will be.

Off-line can be a lot of fun, no lag or stutters for me...very important to set the AI sliders properly though (I give my wing man max settings:cool:), and to also give them objectives.:grin:

Aces-of-Aces said:

Yawn...stifle...yawn...stretch...deja vu...groundhog day...

So, sage-of-sages-with-a-bit-of-sage-and-onion-for-good-measure... which part of not understanding do you not choose to not understand...?

...yup, that adds about as much to this discussion as every post of yours....

Some people do about just everything to place a snide remark and add to the post count, being less understanding adds to the problem.

But hey, it's the cod forum, it's good style here to be a pita until getting banned.

Ok, i understand, i've earned the infraction points, did i?

Simple

1C has already made the move to DX11 APIs!

Which is something a lot of games have yet to do..

And wont be able to make use of the new DX11 API 'feature levels' until they do.

CoD was one of the first games to do this..

The down side of being first is that Microsoft had a lot of issues with the DX11 API at the start..

Which is probably why 1C decided to limit CoD to only make use of the DX10 'feature levels'.

Which is one of the cool things about the DX11 API! You can select the 'feature levels' you wish to support.

All in all a smart move on 1C's part and another case of 1C planing for the future.

For some yes, but not all!

Sadly those who are having issues forget that FACT hint.. hint..

As far as I know the DX12 API is not even in beta yet.. So I think that would be rather silly to do

One could say the same about you and yours..

Same old whiners whine from the whinny handful gang

Always ignoring the FACT that many people are currently running CoD just fine and having plenty of fun doing so! The good news is there are guys like me here to point it out each time they try!

games current and old that have DX11

Aliens vs. Predator
Anno 2070
Batman: Arkham City .
BattleForge
Battlefield 3
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Blacklight: Retribution
Civilization V
Crysis 2
Colin McRae: Dirt 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dirt 3
Dirt: Showdown
Dragon Age II
Dungeons and Dragons Online
F1 2010
F1 2011
F.E.A.R. 3
Hamilton's Great Adventure
Homefront
King Arthur II
Lost Planet 2
L.A. Noire[
Medal of Honor (Multiplayer)
Metro 2033
Need for Speed: The Run
Nexuiz
Oil Rush
Red Faction: Armageddon
Saints Row: The Third
Sniper Elite V2
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat
Star Trek Online
The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar
Total War: Shogun 2
Total War: Shogun 2 – Fall of the Samurai .
Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X 2
Wargame: European Escalation
World of Warcraft

You can't use games like that as an example, because they actually work. Ace is looking for a similar example of a game that was programmed using the DX11 api, but failed miserably. When you add the fact that COD still doesnt have properly functioning AA, it's head and shoulders above the rest.

Actually I love your posts... it is soooo funny...

Honestly I can't see the purpose of your post. Bash the devs? Flame other users who don't share your opinion? Complain about the status of the game? Vent your frustration? All of that?

So, what are you adding to the debate, what new piece of information are you bringing that we didn't hear yet at least 10 billion times?

And also, f you don't like the game, can't bear some forum members and despise the work of the devs ... well why are you still hanging here?

To share how amazed he is?

I am sure programmers have lots of fun with that move and "Windows XP" stated as minimum required OS on the game box. :-)

Adult persons must have a practical goal when communicating with others than their family/friends. Especially on a forum. Emotions are best left to children. B6 message had a clear purpose: inform us. Answers like the one of our friend are purposeless: uninformative, emotional, trouble-stirring. He is unhappy with the current state of affairs of CoD ... well, so what? Who cares apart himself? He would better write his rants on the wall of his bedroom, as the practical outcome will be the same.

Have a nice day.

+1

yep, well said about the above. ! my sentiments exactly. thankfully there is competition though, and for that i need come here no more.but a little pop in is eesential, after all i did buy this nonsense.... but just wanted to say yes you are correct.

its like not like anyone else will confirm it around here for fear of misaligning their point of view against another or for fear of going against the grain in general.

all i see here is "herd" mentallity.

by rights you should all be shouting there doors down.

Well... As you can see even here we don't live in a perfect world... I just answered your question. That's all. You should add that it is just rethorical question...

Anyway, if you can excuse bugs, errors and missing features in CLOD and one year of false promises and misleading communication from devs to their customers, you should be able to excuse also young, frustrated guy, btw. unhappy customer too.

But I know, that at least forum rules have to be fulfilled and are taken seriously here by the majority of this community. So at least something around CLOD works fine!

So if I can ask - just forgive him, because you are able to forgive even worse things, right? And as you are old enough, just be patient with neverending line of unhappy customers...

One day, it will stop.

That's quite a captious thought. I don't excuse or justify or forgive (lol) anybody, why do you suppose something like that?!? I value information above all, and rational analyses; anger and frustration add nothing to the communication, they rather subtract.
And the "frustrated guys" can find other interests in their life, instead of posting obsessively the same old recriminations over and over, don't you think so?

Have a nice day.

I rarely write on this forum,mostly reading,and flyin CloD a lot, but I can tell you one thing, on decent average modern PC this sim runs very well.
No hi end graphic card needed, you don't need the fastest CPU on the market,
if you read some tutorials you can go even with cheap AMD quad CPU, OC it to 4 GHz,and have lot of fun.

About misleading, false promises, ect... developers said before the release,
that sim will be demanding.


And I can tell, I wasn't mislead, as an old fan of Il2 I got better FM, astonishing DM,and a lot of eye candy if you compare it with old il2.

And yes, I'm amazed :)

QFF = Quoted for Force10

In that he seems to allways miss these posts! ;)

Yikes...I'm not sure how many times I have to say it Ace....COD has run smoothly on my machine save for the ground micro stutter since the patch 8 months ago. We were discussing the virtue of programming using the DX11 api when the engine doesn't support running in DX11 mode. Nice mis-direction attempt though.

http://chickendee.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bob.jpg

:(

DX9 support? WHY? You cant havent even been able to buy dx9 cards off the shelf in the U.S for like 2 years!

-Oh btw last time I checked we didn't have a DX11 support and it was not made in the DX11 API, they wasted a huge opportunity and honestly kind of screwed themselves over as in a year the engine will be left in the dust. I have pretty much lost all faith in the dev team at this point, they cant even get down the basics to make a stable and good looking modern graphics engine, let alone everything else missing. If they had any idea they would of left DX9 a long time ago, its not used at all anymore as you would have to be running a machine on XP with a 4-5+ year old card if not 6-7 year old card, there have been no growth prospects in that market for half a decade so if this engine is meant to last I call BS.

Big market in poor areas of E. Europe and Asia still using pirated copies of win XP, hence the need for DX9 support.

HE said it's because the customer base in Russia use operating systems that are "cracked". Here's the quote.

Awesome business model I support it 110%. I bet games are even cracked to.