Thanks for the updates B6 and Luthier, (and your further clarifications Ilya) . I am quite positive about the future of the sim after reading your messages and really don't understand much of the negativity. Each to their own I guess.

Have a Merry Xmas all.

Amen BigC
I got $5K in this rig, cockpit and controllers.
I'd pay $500 bucks a copy if it delivered everything that was promised/expected.

Put it into perspective
SKUD

Agree. I believe the game engine will continue to improve step by step, sequel after sequel. But implementing all those improvements takes money so fixing this first step of the series can continue only so long. So I think this latest update is good news for people who are interested in the long series (the new IL2), but maybe bad news for those who are interested in CoD as individual game only.

I'd be more comfortable if they called BoM DLC instead of a sequel and also charged for it as such.

Isn't that what they are doing?

So we have to pay again if we want a working game. Not me.

Throw in the blackburn Roc, the Westland Whirlwind, the Boston, ect also and Id pay £50

I believe that 99% of those who declare that they won't buy BoM will be the first to jump on the wagon ... :-) flight sim addiction is a bad beast ...

I swear i'll wait 3 months after BoM is out before i jump in, and i'll jump only if the reviews are ecstatic.

You can quote me on this when time comes.

sorry for my question, but BOM is battle of Moskow ? and this will be an add on of Cliff of Dover?

Bye Ivo

Ciao Ivo, yes BoM is Battle of Moscow. Not an add of but an independent game which can be merged with CoD, as Pacific Fighters with Forgotten Battles was.

I swear that Iwill buy the collector's edition of BoM, the very day it will be available ... I'd love the revised and improved Il2 ....Yippee!

You and me both :)

Hi guys you're of course welcome to voice your opinions and feelings but please be 'mindful' what you say. Posts are being heavily moderated and you may find your posts deleted if they come even close to going over the line and worst case whole threads being locked or deleted and even possibly earning yourself a ban for 24hrs. Constructive comment and criticism is always welcome as long as it doesn't descend to personal attacks, false statements and wildly inaccurate speculation. This thread will be closely watched! You have been warned!

On another note...
Merry Christmas all! This simulation is well on its way to becoming what we all want it to be, and I was one that wasn't very happy with performance from day one, but it is night and day now compared to 9 months ago and the new engine will address the remaining performance issues.

It is what it is as far as the past goes but they have shown they are committed to the series and it's only logical that some features come out in later versions. That is the way this series evolved from Sturmovik to 1946 and Luthier has made it clear this generation of IL2 will be no different.

The beta patch will come out when it's ready. The nature of software development with a major engine rewrite is that things can come up that ruin the best of plans. Once the major rewrite is complete, it is likely it will be easier to release betas in a predictable manner. Please be patient and keep the faith.

People need to move on and stop dragging up the past. We will get the new engine along with other fixes and some new features without buying the sequel. Some features will only be available in the sequel and that is no different than the old series. The GOOD thing is, the new "theatre" features and upgrades are available for earlier theatres of operation.

Please excuse typos sent from my iPad!

cheers b6, ilya and the team

this
just makes me think that ordering off menu can lead to disappointment.

oh, and happy christmas all!

I'll buy it as soon as it comes available, but i've got massively reduced expectations as to what it will actually be like. I'm personally hoping that it won't crash all the time, and that menus will keep working. Everything else will be a bonus.

Never in the field of game development was so much whining done by so many to so few. The funny thing is that I don't recognise those people from online play at all - are they even on?

There is no doubt that this is unfinished and I don't think for one minute that there has been any intention of the current 1C team to defraud anybody - THEY wanted to release a great product so please stop implying that you've been robbed. I'm convinced that Luthier and his team are under a great deal of pressure and want to deliver something fantastic in the end. This isn't BF3, they don't have 200 devs and multiple platforms to sell to and they have to meet the demands of perfectionist history nerds (I am one of them too....).

I'm flying this regularly and don't have many crashes, I'd rather not have them but it doesn't detract that much since a lot of the fun is in immersion, the CEM etc, flying with friends. I just don't understand how so many of you with the amazing rigs you show off on the bottom of your signatures can't get some decent entertainment out of it anyway, and for £40 - hours and hours of entertainment - it's CHEAP. The cost of your rig is nothing to do with 1C.


Luthier said they'll patch it, and will also merge the series - that's the news I am interested in. I'll wait for that since there's nothing else I can do - moaning at the devs will just make things worse possibly to the extent of pulling the plug the way some of you carry on.

I'd like 1C to consider the 777 model of buying aircraft - nobody whines at that and it's a more regular income.

As for content, who wants to fly the Defiant? 236 got murdered in a single sortie - why would you want to fly it yourself? Let the computer do it. I'd like to see IL2 opened for 3rd Party though where building maps and ground objects can be added in, then have 1C approve then and add as a patch. Even more so for flyables, with approval from 1C and then get them sold as per the 777 model - I don't see why 3rd parties couldn't take a cut of that development effort.

In the meantime I'll wait for the patch.


PS. According to my sig, it looks like Titus won't have to eat those chillis and post on you tube after all :D

guys you're of course welcome to voice your opinions and feelings but please be 'mindful' what you say. Posts are being heavily moderated and you may find your posts deleted if they come even close to going over the line and worst case whole threads being locked or deleted and even possibly earning yourself a ban for 24hrs. Constructive comment and criticism is always welcome as long as it doesn't descend to personal attacks, false statements and wildly inaccurate speculation. This thread will be closely watched! You have been warned!

I'd love to play online more, but since i suffer from this bug,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27322

like quite a few others, having to restart the game after every nearly every bloody flight gets to be a pita. When this stops happening, i'll pick the game up much more.

So i stick to something that works, il2 and RoF, and that my squadmates fly, because many of them haven't got rigs that can fly Clod yet, because of real life commitments don't allow everyone to have a monster rig for CloD.

Plus dogfight servers haven't interested me since @2005, although i am following the user made work around for co-ops with interest.

I'll be whining (even) more heavily if the 777 model is applied with paying addon for extra "planes" with stupid FM à la Marvel.

No, No and no !!!

keep the crap out of CoD.

Regarding the Def : I'll be happy to fly her.

Spent nearly £3000 in total to play IL2 CLOD. Not interested in WW1 or modern air warfare so actually I can bitch because it's not the $50 I feel I've wasted but the £3000!!

The absolute priority should be a hot fix for the memory leak to get things started, we shouldn't wait for other content just get that done asap because at the moment many of us cannot fly long missions. My experience with the JG27 CO-OPS was 3 early crashes out of 3 Missions flown which was very disappointing. Sure I can fly dogfight server but I am not into that. Then there is offline play which is utterly hideous, tried again last night and the AI is terrible. So there is limited scope for fun at the moment.

My main bitch is that after years of flying in a theatre I am not 100% interested in i.e. Eastern front and then Pacific I was really hoping for BOB and then expanding on to the Med or Battle of France or even fighting over Europe.

Really it feels like MG dipped their toe in to the BOB only to go straight back to stuff covered extensively in the IL2/FB releases. I really wanted to see more time spent on a theatre I am very interested in. I am sure many others feel the same.

well you can see me online every other week i gess, but given the state of the game its not worthy. i finally managed to overcome the techincall dificultys of performance in my rig, but in the middle of my happiness i jumped into a dull, airquake multiplayer. not interested in it. and from what i know about you, neither are you.

as it stands, USL for COD is 4 years away or so :(

I am annoyed that features get removed as opposed to being options because of a small vocal group of whiners who want their way over everyone else. It's not like cockpit shake is unrealistic and most sims model it one way or another. Let's try not to undermine the development by giving the devs BS to sort out because of nitpicking..

So true!

Was I the only one? Cockpit shake gave me the willies after a while, almost like when I just got my first TrackIr. It felt like being drunk or sleepy and not being able to hold my head still. In all my 30 years of real world fying have I ever felt that sensation. Barrel rolls, asymetrical stall breaks, inverted spins, even turbulence, the head always stays stable. Never asked to have it removed though. Probably was another FPS muncher that had to go.

Even though I'm not happy with how things have been handled in the past I'm happy with the outlook. The developers are overhauling the game engine. To me that's the utmost form of support. Game engine broken, they fix it. They could've also patched it up to where it was acceptable but not brilliant and then orphan the whole thing. Now hopefully with BoM we get a better optimized engine and GUI. Even better, it'll be backwards compatible with CloD. All this is time consuming. You can bet your last Dollar (or the devs last Ruble) that they're not going to repeat the cluster coitus release of CloD. So having to wait for BoM to get some earlier promised content and paying for a new game is fine by me. I'm actually glad they 're going this route. It's of utmost importance that they survive as a bussiness. If another company had to start the whole gamedevelopement from scratch we would be without a quality WWII sim for probably another 5 years.

There is so much under the hood of this sim's engine, so much potential. I want to see it all realized. They bit of too big of a chunk when they started. Glad they realized it and now feed it to us piecemeal with each new theatre release. That way computer hardware can catch up with Oleg's brilliant vision. Hat's of for Luthier, he had to make it make it happen with todays and last years hardware.

You are wrong. You guys give this game too much credit. It runs fine for me, it's just broken in so many other ways. I was hoping they would allow the modding community to fix it, I guess that was asking too much. What good is a game if it reaches gold status 18 months after you bought it? I have racing sims I enjoy also and they have taken up most of my time since this POS was released.

I keep waiting for a meaningful update status, but this just wasn't one of them. I find myself checking less and less frequently and at some point I will give up.

There is no damn way I would ever pay for a sequal.

Not spending a any $ on an expansion so you can screw customers out of more money to buy content and stability that should of been present in CLOD itself. Unbelievable... They basically just told us we will have to pay to receive game fixes that they will be purposefully withholding unless we buy another of their products.

THIS IS BULLSHIT. Not worth the $ in this case and in Russia we all know the state of the law, but in europe/auz/us you could be taken to court for this.

That says it for me.

As far as simming goes nothing would make me happier than the devs delivering on CoD so that it is stable, runs smooth on a decent machine and has good content. The problem I have is you could set the most recent updates to the score to somewhere over the rainbow.

Now you're just bashing the company in their own forums and you're embarrassing yourself. Players with your similar same setup have the sim running great and have played over 1000 hours in the air and the FMB....and are generally having a blast.

They have got a cheek doing what they did..fact!

the more they say and tell us just reinforces what we have been saying all along and NO ONE can say otherwise

TREEUk..you are a leg-end my son and your predictions were right from the offset..

HOWEVER..

Its done now and we need to move on from just bashing this game..its not going to get fixed and we are going to have to spend more money to see what we should of already seen and experienced but hey ho..whats done is done

At least we can look forward to a great expansion/add-on and hopefully a patch for ClOD soon

I for one will be buying the new expansion as soon as humanly possible

You should put your money where your mouth is and take them to court.

I wouldn't call it great... There are far more people struggling to make it work than people satisfied AFAIK.

Regards.

That fact that no one has speaks volumes wrt how weak that legal argument is

Somehow many postings remind me a lot of the ones 10 years ago.
Am I getting old, or is there an error in the matrix because of this deja-vu?

Anyone remembers the threads at ubi's il2-forum about hardware, missions, campaigns, fm, dm etc etc...?
And later the reactions, when Oleg announced Forgotten Battles?
Just like many postings here.

I for one am glad about pt. 19. Merged install. Nice!

Sure, if they could find a way to change the AI-behaviour now (before the sequel), I'd be enjoing the sim a little bit more as I already do.

btw: A merry christmas (or happy holidays for the political correct ones) to all of you.

Yup I remember.. too bad some here are either too young to remember.. or forgot.. or forgot on purpose

different time.......different development team..........

same could be said between IL-2 sequals too..

The good news is the company is the same and thier way of doing things is the same.. ie see my sig

A MOD should copy and paste Luthiers post in this thread ,to the top of each page, as it appears more than a few people have missed it.

Many people still seem to be under the impression that they will have to buy further support for COD. This is not the case as they are still working on COD and will provide patches.
They did not say which features will be fixed in a patch but common sense tells us that the graphics engine, sound, and any AI, FM, DM, work will be provided in a free patch while major features like Dynamic Weather probably would only be available with a merged sequel.

Luthier probably doesn't want to say which features will be patched or in the sequel because he doesn't know yet what will be finished and what will be delayed. Anything he says they're work on is always misconstrued as a promise. Working on complicated shyte like this, you always have to expect delays.

Agreed 100%

And until than Ill keep a copy of it in my sig! ;)

Maybe even longer! ;)

They are going to attempt to do the same thing...like they attempted to do lots of things.
Their record so far does not give me hope. Though i hope im wrong.

That won't help. Reading comprehension is a significant problem on this forum.

No matter what happens you are going to keep complaining, if for nothing else than to never have to admit that you're wrong.

Yup

Its not a reading comprehension problem, more of a believing problem.

Anyway, its almost Xmas!

Merry Xmas Chivas, ACE, David and everyone else!

Reading comprehension and delusional negativity.

Some people also need to learn to be able to tell the difference between right/wrong and having an opinion that deviates from their own and also respect that opinion without telling them that they are wrong or try to convince others that their own opinions are the only "correct" ones. I know, it's a lot to ask for from some people.

Now now now.. dont be too hard on yourself! ;)

Not really. When Luthier announces that the business model for CoD is going to be the same as IL2, and people who like the IL2 business model are complaining, the problem is not a difference of opinion.

That is a good point.

Wow! it's like talking with a puppet master and his puppet, anywho, people have the right to complain and people have the right to object to those complaints but I don't think it's fair to make it seem as if others opinion in a matter -business model as an example in this case I guess- is totally wrong or totally right either. They are opinions guys, they are not universal truths, they are not concrete. Please tell me I'm not talking to a wall here, show me a sign of understanding.:)

No, it isn't. Luthier said the model will be the same. That isn't opinion, that is FACT.

ditto

Which is fine for you and your agenda..

But the rest of us who are familiar with IL-2 are basing our opinions off the 10+ years of IL-2 and the latest quote from Luther that stated CoD and it's sequels will follow the same methodology

True..

And I think 'most' would agree that the words based on 18 moths are cheaper than the words based on 10+ years..

Your mileage may and clearly does vary

It's not fact until it has happened mate.

They would be out of business in 3 days after the launch, because other game genre customers would in no way stomach a game released in a state like CoD.

Not they are doing us a favor by working on a ww2 flight sim, but we are doing them a favor for buying and supporting a game in such a state.

I'm sorry, but I'm sure BoM will be in a similar state at its launch, with tons of bugs and broken features too. And you can quote me on it!

I really-really hope I'll be proven wrong, because i do love ww2 (flight) sims, but.. time will tell :(

No, it's definitely a fact that he said it. Whether or not they'll actually do it is pointless speculation. My useless speculation is based on past history and common sense. Your useless speculation is based on relentless negativity.

Just what is it you have against moths anyway?

DOH! :rolleyes:

2. Will you reenable cockpit shake that existed in the earlier versions?
Quote:
We actually removed it because the fans requested it.

I hope this is a mistake and will be brought back. Seems crazy not to have it. High G turns, dives are much more fun in IL-2 because of it right?

+10000

God this place can be tiresome.

IIRC

The cockpit/airframe only is shaking in IL2 1946

CoD had the pilot and aircraft shaking.

The MkI eyeball kinda smooths out the effect of vibration.

Guys I have cleaned up this thread for the 2nd day in row. Please refrain from pointless one line posts intended to provoke (Troll) responses and do not start slinging matches and personal arguments. In the spirit of Christmas I have been lenient and a few people have been warned. If anyone posts further blatant misinformation or overly harsh negative posts consider yourself banned! We get that some of you feel betrayed but as stated many times now the series has a strong future with backing for a new engine and patches for the existing Cliffs of Dover AND a new sequel with new content and features. You don't need to pay a cent to receive the new engine and patches ok! The beta patch will be released when it is ready, but rest assured the guys have been working very hard at it!

Thank you Phat.

Biggs

Thank you BlackSix for another update, we appreciate it! :)

Question, Is there any information about when the sequel will be released?

+1 on this

post the meat of the official news on every page or at least a link to the first page on top, saying before you post, read the official news via this hyperlink . . . in bold and as much attention getting as possible.

The moderators should auto delete any thread that posts something that is a lie as fact, especially, when it is contrary to what the devs were saying.

Opinions are fine but saying junk like "CLod isn't supported and everything is for the sequel" is a lie and should be deleted.


lie vs opinion:

Lie: "CLod isn't supported and everything is for the sequel"

vs opinion: "I know you don't have a patch date in mind, but I think that is reprehensibly wrong and leaves a bad bitter taste in our mouths".

note the following are examples only



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Luthiers clarifications have been added to the first post.

If anyone makes another false comment about this update without carefully reading at least the first page and doing a search for their problem or concern to see if it has been addressed previously (which it likely has) you will get an instant warning and for next offence a ban to give you time to think about how you can better contribute to this community.

Sorry it has had to come to this but the majority of members and moderators including myself don't come here everyday just to clean up after you. We love to help and we love to see the interesting topics and we also love to fly when time allows. Rubbish, Trolling, Arguing and False Statements will not be tolerated and will be swiftly dealt with.

... hmm, ok, that sounds already much better, thanks, ...
:!:

All I want to know is: when will the patch comes out?
It must be possible to give us a date of release! There must be a deadline for the programmers! Since the last patch i can´t fly online for more than half an hour without a launchercrash!

(and i´m sure it´s not a problem of my PC or CPU or anything else!)

S!

Attila..it was said that POSSIBLY before end of this year a BETA, but more surely next year. As of the final, we can only guess but I would think that if a beta goes well and feedback does not reveal anything big the final would come out soon after...but again best is just to wait and see. IT comes when ready..

"6. Is there any news about the Su-26?

Quote:
You’ll get to fly it.
"

Now excuse my french... but that's what I am xxxxxxxx' talking about :P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I was wondering If I needed to replace my malfunctioning $300 joystick :P Oh yeah baby!

This is the first we ever hear from the dev about the Su 26, it needs to be framed.

Not yet. We have not announced the next project. Please wait.

System config and performance discussion was moved to the community help config and settings sticky post in the technical forum.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19714

4. Are there any plans to add a new aircraft or modifications, equipment and other objects to Cliffs of Dover before the sequel?

Quote:
Only new modifications of existing planes – of which there are very few left. Completely new aircraft or flyable versions of currently non-flyable planes are not planned for CoD.
New ground or other objects will not happen due to the fact that our previous attempts to add them were met with a universal “we don’t need this crap, why don’t you give us xyz instead” from the community. The ground modeling staff and myself have subsequently made the fully switch that department to the sequel

I just love how the people who fly the least can have the most effect on sims sometimes:evil:

Speaking about armchair pilots, eh? :-)
I believe anyway that this was a note of humour by Luthier. Be it or not, the truth is that resources (money and time) are limited, and the objects to model must be prioritized vs. income potential. In other words, 3D modelers were not idle, but modeling other planes and objects for new theaters, such as BoM. And yes, given the choice, I prefer one more plane rather than 2 or 3 more tanks/ships whatever. The community will take care of that whn SDK will be released ... ;-)

That is not strictly true. Of course it would be nice to have every plane flyable but I do remember a lot of support and requests for the optimisation of the existing plane sets as a priority over additional flyables. What we have are the main players regards the ac involved in the BoB - which is the most important thing for me. Quality over quantity is my preferred approach by the devs so, in that respect, I understand that a sequel must take priority over adding more flyable ac that were not key players in the BoB.

I think it is a nerve that 1C is already working on the successor. I've paid money for CoD and I hope Luthier and his crew finish the project, so that it works properly. Somehow I have the impression that we are talking about suck as much money as possible in a short time. This may not be in the interests of IL and Oleg.

double post

:roll: Do you read the updates?

Read the update. They are still working on CoD.

I heard abt CoD pricing being down low to 19$. Are you calling that big money ?

19US$ = 12€ it's hardly more than two pints of beer in EU (don't know how much it does in Milk bottles - sry)

19$ = 2 or 3 issue of your fav (bunnies ?) Magazine on witch I defy you to stare more than you can do playing CoD - well... depends on who's in the middle pages :oops:)

19$ = 1 French Baguette, two Croissants and two cup of coffee noisette (but she was probably not the one of your life ;) )

19$ = Three tickets to get the metro in London during a day of strike (you'd better walk)

19$ = one single CD out of your favorite collector of the years long TV soap

19$ = two stupid Bat planes on a WWI sim who once claimed to have some vertue (what will they sells as addons after: the Red Baron's braces ?!)

19$ = nearly nothing related to MS "simulator"

It might be that you come from a country where that amount of money really matters. I can understand that with no irony. But I just want to point you what it means for real on the US/Eu market where that specific price was marketed.

For the amount of works and efforts those guys hve put in, it's really cheap. I only hope that they won't get their ambitions over-sized after releasing BoM.

But Perso, with all the modifications they hve made since the first release, I feel satisfied. Certainly technically CoD lacks some points but so far the "deal" ended in fairness ;)

more a read response more i think we will have to pay the game twice before having something really acceptable. and only if they make all their promise in the sequel!

really.... the luthier team is not the same that made il2 sturmivik....

we already pay for the alpha version of the game....i hope we not have to pay for a beta with the sequel but for a release version.... if not Luthier will be know to be the guy who killed the best ww2 sims series of the world.

sincerely i will be the first to kiss his foot and lapidate myself if he do all his promise... but if not...i already have the stone for him!


one last thing... i really thing it is not acceptable response like the fourth. it is like kid who are whining when they are trapped they do bad work. and bad work is the good word to define the devellopement of COD. accept criticism and do better work and you only see thx on forums. it is still time! and if you realise all your promise.... the good work will be done and everybody will thanks you sincerely.

Now we just have to wait

Lol,...bang goes my dream of flying the Wellington then,no more flyables for COD,never mind:rolleyes:

whaaaaaat? for 12 euro you can get 12 x 200 ml cups of beer, and if you know were to go it can easely jump to 24. thats a lot of beer. and believe me, last time i had that ammount of beer i had a far better experience than COD all togheter :grin:

Alot of people paid the full asking price ,not to mention upgrades of computers and peripheries.
It s the fact the people bought the game believing it was a finished article and then found out it wasn't.
Broken initial faith which they now have to mend.

I've just bought another copy for my son, at 9.90€. we plan to fly together in servers and have a lot of fun. If I average the cost with the 60 euros of my CE, it still makes a more than acceptable 35€ each ... so to alleviate your atrocious pains for the initial price, just buy and give away another copy... :-)

Until the next morning you mean. ... LOL ;) I'm definitely too old for that much beer. I can't do that any more.

Why this "drama" about CloD sold for low prices?

These prices of 16,99$ (STEAM) or 9,99$ (Getsgamego) is promotional prices for limited time, not all time price. (STEAM now list for 33,49$ = 33% OFF).

This occur eventually (I buy CLoD from Getgamesgo for 25U$ in another promotion, mounts ago).

For example (the not well sale) RO2:Heroes of Stalingrad now are find with ~75% OFF (Getgamesgo).

These "discount" sales occurs with many games - every the blockbuster BF3 had limited sale last days with 50% OFF...

In case of CloD these type of sale help spread the (little success) game. IMHO.

Sokol1

No drama my friend. Only comparing price. If I cld hve got it for 5$ with the devs still keeping to work on, I wld hve gladly pay that price, believe me !

@PuPo : where is that land of infamy where an honest man can get 24 beers for only 12€ ? :rolleyes:

Portugal..... why do you think we are broke?

S!

Cheap or whatnot, but hopefully sales go on. Ensures we get the sequel.

The game is a peanut price compared to the cash put out to upgrade to a computer that was suppose to be able to run the game.

1+ for that one

And you'll use this computer for years, and will use other softwares.

What's the big deal? :confused:

I loll'd.. God knows Ive been so tempted to use my birthday/xmas bonanza to shell out on a new rig..

Aaaah Super B*ck one of my favorite. Great country/ plenty of opportunity too

~S!

I am somewhat miffed.

Whilst I understand CloD is being 'fixed' (and rightly so) I was hopeing for 1C to expand on this timeframe and opportunity with new aircraft...a Royal Navy and German Navy for some exceptional packed battles.

The fact that there are no new aircraft planned...no new ground models and the fact you have to purchase the expansion if you want stuff that was meant to be implemented in the original is very dissapointing.

CloD no doubt will be 'fixed' but will not be expanded on leaving a half baked game that has taken nearly 10 years to come to fruition.

Thanks 1C.

The 'community' should not have to 'create' stuff to sort out 1C's issues.