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Kankkis 05-18-2011 10:52 AM

How you feel, is next patch beta or official from Steam?

Beta is my bet.

Tvrdi 05-18-2011 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Winger (Post 284773)
I know Tvrdi. Just to clear up. By no means i intended to offend you. Got ugly quite too often in the ROF Forums:) Hopefully not here;)

Winger

winger, didnt take your comment as offend as I know you :-) np mate, agree with you

BigPickle 05-18-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibis (Post 284753)

Legend, mate funny as heck

RE77ACTION 05-18-2011 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kankkis (Post 284777)
How you feel, is next patch beta or official from Steam?

Beta is my bet.

I think that current beta will be officialiced with the necessary tweaks. This is the only satisfactory solution when the USA gets the game. Not everybody will try the beta. However, I'm happy to test new beta patches. If they don't work for me, I will roll back.

@Tvrdi: Sorry for my assumption you where talking about color although color is made up of hue, saturation and brightness. So far I read many complaints about the color, but it isn't too bad. The colors in the Youtube video wouldn't be correct for this region (even after the hottest summer ever). The video looks more like what you should expect in Russia with a land climate.

The only complain I would have is that not all acres look to be in the same season (some look summer, some look spring). And the only wish I have is that they make a landscape texture for each season and set the suns path and temperatures accordingly. That would be nice and it wouldn't take extra resources (except disk space) of the system.

Skoshi Tiger 05-18-2011 11:58 AM

The developers of every sim use programming tricks to get a desired result. These tricks are acceptable to some people and are not acceptable to others.

I don't mind the trees in COD but I really don't like the ones in ROF. ROF is a really good sim, I own it and fly it and have brought a lot of add on planes. But I do not like the way the trees turn around to look at you as you fly past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp8KuO0McZw

I guess they use this trick to keep acceptable frame rate but for me this is an imersion killer and one of the reasons I don't fly down low in ROF.

Cheers!

PS I'm not trying to bash ROF (like I said I enjoy flying the sim) just highlight that no sim is perfect and that people have different opinions on what is acceptable.

Tvrdi 05-18-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RE77ACTION (Post 284790)
I think that current beta will be officialiced with the necessary tweaks. This is the only satisfactory solution when the USA gets the game. Not everybody will try the beta. However, I'm happy to test new beta patches. If they don't work for me, I will roll back.

@Tvrdi: Sorry for my assumption you where talking about color although color is made up of hue, saturation and brightness. So far I read many complaints about the color, but it isn't too bad. The colors in the Youtube video wouldn't be correct for this region (even after the hottest summer ever). The video looks more like what you should expect in Russia with a land climate.

The only complain I would have is that not all acres look to be in the same season (some look summer, some look spring). And the only wish I have is that they make a landscape texture for each season and set the suns path and temperatures accordingly. That would be nice and it wouldn't take extra resources (except disk space) of the system.

so we can have post saturation option in video settings...so we can tune this as we like...sure we do something in nvidia CP but that affets all the games which is not acceptable...

Ivan Fooker 05-18-2011 12:03 PM

What is the prob with those trees?
Everything is better than Il2 Layer trees in woods.
We cant expect neither in RoF or Cod trees like in ArmA2 or Crysis of course.

Skoshi Tiger 05-18-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivan Fooker (Post 284801)
What is the prob with those trees?
Everything is better than Il2 Layer trees in woods.
We cant expect neither in RoF or Cod trees like in ArmA2 or Crysis of course.

look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

addman 05-18-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 284805)
look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

Those trees are kinda eerie.:)

Skoshi Tiger 05-18-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by addman (Post 284807)
Those trees are kinda eerie.:)

Thank God! Some one else can see it! I thought it was just me! Just like when ever I enter a room with a fish tank all the gold fish turn and stare.......



;)

RE77ACTION 05-18-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 284805)
look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

Don't forget this game has to draw tens of thousands of trees in one view at some moments.

addman 05-18-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 284808)
Thank God! Some one else can see it! I thought it was just me! Just like when ever I enter a room with a fish tank all the gold fish turn and stare.......



;)

Innocent goldfishes...pfft! my *ss! How about people's eyes in paintings and photos? huh? huh?

RE77ACTION 05-18-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 284805)
look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

I've just tested it. But I see nice 3D trees which I can fly around. Branches of a tree will move in front of each other when going around it.

Ze-Jamz 05-18-2011 12:44 PM

They are direct decendants of the Triffids:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RMBnYX1OtX...fids_CP148.jpg

Skoshi Tiger 05-18-2011 12:46 PM

:)

Skoshi Tiger 05-18-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RE77ACTION (Post 284816)
I've just tested it. But I see nice 3D trees which I can fly around. Branches of a tree will move in front of each other when going around it.

If it was true 3D you should be able to travel 360 degrees around it from all angles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQ8e3vVJFY

Like I said in my post, this was probably implemented this way to improve framerates and acceptable (even not noticable) for some people. For me it's an immersion killer. ( I'm hopeless at shooting things in the air and prefer if my targets are stationary on the ground ;) )

Sorry for digressing from topic.

Cheers

Tvrdi 05-18-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 284823)
If it was true 3D you should be able to travel 360 degrees around it from all angles.




Like I said in my post, this was probably implemented this way to improve framerates and acceptable (even not noticable) for some people. For me it's an immersion killer. ( I'm hopeless at shooting things in the air and prefer if my targets are stationary on the ground ;) )

Sorry for digressing from topic.

Cheers

good luck with immersion and optimisation in CLOD..trees in ROF are acceptable even since the overall landscape is more realistic than in cartoon of CLOD

Houndstone Hawk 05-18-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tvrdi (Post 284734)
then again with i7 gtx480 and 6 gigs of RAM this sim struggles sometimes (plane is in flame in front of you...above land on some areas etc)...then all the missing content....whining? call it what u like...the facts are here


while this poor sim struggles with performance on high end PCs, missing content, AA and ugly landscape ROF has new autumn textures for landscape....they can learn from them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4macu...embedded#at=67

Absolutely loving ROF at the moment. The environment graphics & overall immersion is already fantastic but those Autumn textures are stunning. Can't wait for the field mods, Breguet & ofcourse the completely overhauled, all new dynamic campaign .... Good times!!!!

RE77ACTION 05-18-2011 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 284823)
If it was true 3D you should be able to travel 360 degrees around it from all angles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQ8e3vVJFY

Like I said in my post, this was probably implemented this way to improve framerates and acceptable (even not noticable) for some people. For me it's an immersion killer. ( I'm hopeless at shooting things in the air and prefer if my targets are stationary on the ground ;) )

Sorry for digressing from topic.

Cheers

I really don't have this problem shown in the video. My trees are true 3D! I don't know where the difference comes from.

Derinahon 05-18-2011 01:49 PM

Re77action, you know Skoshi is talking about Rise of Flight, right?

RE77ACTION 05-18-2011 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Derinahon (Post 284841)
Re77action, you know Skoshi is talking about Rise of Flight, right?

Ahhh, you just lit my light...

Blackdog_kt 05-18-2011 01:57 PM

Is this the RoF forum or what?

Seriously, people are comparing CoD to a sim that was in development for quite a long time itself, has a two year head-start with its own share of problems many of which have not yet been fixed (the aircraft "dots" pop into view at 2km or so which messes up situational awareness in a fight, that's why you can have cool terrain with no pop-up, this is about to get fixed now after a whole 2+ years) and all the cool stuff everyone is harping about was developed AFTER its release by charging the community for every single individual content enhancement except the avgas needed to fly the planes :-P

If you want to make accurate comparisons maybe you should pretend that CoD ships with 4 flyables, send $7.6 to 1c for every extra flyable and wait a couple of years, or build a time machine or something, because at the moment it just amounts to dealing cards from a stacked deck and acting surprised at the outcome.

If people want to judge by double standards it's fine by me, they just shouldn't expect it to have the same value as it would if they were judging both sims by the same criteria at similar points during their life.

Tvrdi 05-18-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt (Post 284844)
Is this the RoF forum or what?

Seriously, people are comparing CoD to a sim that was in development for quite a long time itself, has a two year head-start with its own share of problems many of which have not yet been fixed (the aircraft "dots" pop into view at 2km or so which messes up situational awareness in a fight, that's why you can have cool terrain with no pop-up, this is about to get fixed now after a whole 2+ years) and all the cool stuff everyone is harping about was developed AFTER its release by charging the community for every single individual content enhancement except the avgas needed to fly the planes :-P

If you want to make accurate comparisons maybe you should pretend that CoD ships with 4 flyables, send $7.6 to 1c for every extra flyable and wait a couple of years, or build a time machine or something, because at the moment it just amounts to dealing cards from a stacked deck and acting surprised at the outcome.

If people want to judge by double standards it's fine by me, they just shouldn't expect it to have the same value as it would if they were judging both sims by the same criteria at similar points during their life.

OK lets make a bottom line....ROF is very playable on my rig...and CLOD isnt....and I have i7920@3.5Ghz, GTZ 470 twinfrozr2 OC to 750Mhz on core, 6 GIGs of RAM (resolution is 1680x1050)....yes I tried all tricks and tweaks and my richie HW and SW experince...end of the story

Ze-Jamz 05-18-2011 02:17 PM

**sets up popcorn stand**

''roll up, roll up...get yer popcorn here and grab a chair, your in for a treat''

Tvrdi 05-18-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 284852)
**sets up popcorn stand**

''roll up, roll up...get yer popcorn here and grab a chair, your in for a treat''

take the corns after US release...you will need it hehe

Winger 05-18-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tvrdi (Post 284849)
OK lets make a bottom line....ROF is very playable on my rig...and CLOD isnt....and I have i7920@3.5Ghz, GTZ 470 twinfrozr2 OC to 750Mhz on core, 6 GIGs of RAM (resolution is 1680x1050)....yes I tried all tricks and tweaks and my richie HW and SW experince...end of the story

I dont understand why. Must be something fishy with your system.
I have a I7 930@4 GHz and a GTX 480 and it runs everything at high and 1920x1200 resolution pretty smooth. 12 GB of RAM (had 6 before and there is no real diffrenc noticeable). OS is WIN 7 64 Premium.
I use 14.305 patch since the latest one makes problems in multiplayer.

Winger

Kankkis 05-18-2011 02:31 PM

No patch today, maybe next week some new words when patch is out:rolleyes:

Tvrdi 05-18-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Winger (Post 284854)
I dont understand why. Must be something fishy with your system.
I have a I7 930@4 GHz and a GTX 480 and it runs everything at high and 1920x1200 resolution pretty smooth. 12 GB of RAM (had 6 before and there is no real diffrenc noticeable). OS is WIN 7 64 Premium.
I use 14.305 patch since the latest one makes problems in multiplayer.

Winger

Im talking about last beta which causes slowdowns online....the beta before the last was much smoother, thats true...still even there I have slowdowns when plane in front of me catches fire (when I hit him). So I stand corrected...a bit.

btw, nothing fishy with my rig it runs other games/sims smooth as silk...including the most demanding....

Bobb4 05-18-2011 02:51 PM

RoF is a modern sim. If you want to compete against the best you at least need to come close. Clod has not. It will I am sure but currently it is falling flat. It needs the il2 community to adopt it as the official replacement to Il2 1946. It does not look like that will happen anytime soon.
So forget about it competing against RoF it cannot really compete against Il2 1946 + mods and that can only be because the developers believed their own hype. They forgot that at least 60% of il2 1946 is community made...

Ataros 05-18-2011 03:51 PM

OT:
I downloaded ROT trial version about a year ago probably when it was quite a mature sim already. It did not have any online servers I could enjoy flying. Only a handful of servers with very strange capture the flag mission as in some arcade FPS shooters. So I deleted it.

I purchased IL-2:COD about 2 months ago. It did not have any online servers I could enjoy flying. Only a handful of servers with very strange missions. But it had an engine open for endless possibilities, FMB and C# scripting. So I created an online mission I can enjoy flying not knowing anything on FMB or C# 2 only months ago.

No comments just a little story.

The mission runs on Repka DS#1 server btw. Go and check it out for yourself. The proof of pudding is in the eating :grin:

Blackdog_kt 05-18-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tvrdi (Post 284849)
OK lets make a bottom line....ROF is very playable on my rig...and CLOD isnt....and I have i7920@3.5Ghz, GTZ 470 twinfrozr2 OC to 750Mhz on core, 6 GIGs of RAM (resolution is 1680x1050)....yes I tried all tricks and tweaks and my richie HW and SW experince...end of the story

Mate, no offence but i remember you doing the exact same thing on the simHQ forums when RoF was released: initial excitement, post-release disappointment and subsequent judgment of the game based on your personal experience alone.

I still remember how it all turned around in a single day with RoF and people were posting "they fooled us, they betrayed us" and so on. It's hilarious that people have such a sort memory span sometimes :-P

I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, it's welcome. But it's just YOUR opinion, it's not shared by everybody and neither is your experience with the sim.
People like different things, so they have different expectations and evaluation of CoD. If i see a lot of things i like, i can overlook some of the stuff i don't. If i don't see much of what i like, it's easier to focus on the negative stuff. That's all there is to it, there's no absolutes here.


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