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COLV 02-27-2011 09:22 PM

Nice picture and Yes keep the Calander girls.

major_setback 02-27-2011 11:27 PM

I must say that my favourite screenshot so far must be this...
...showing a nice blend regarding the brightness of the paint-job and markings.
It makes such a big difference when there two are matched!

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...224_130618.jpg

41Sqn_Banks 02-28-2011 07:00 AM

Translated by google:
Quote:

Re: Friday's update 25/02/2011
Creatures will not increase. They are acceptable human growth. If they do more, they will give us something to fall through so the geometry, especially with different versions of the clothes that you can put on yourself.

In life, clothes rumpled, in the game there. They sat down in a thick jacket Irwin, shoulders crawls through the glass. Put on his cap - it is half in the lamp.

The only way to make a man in Messer, to shoulder a millimeter of glass is to select your choice of Uniform and make it completely static without animation. In my opinion that there is - the lesser of two evils. Much smaller. All within the acceptable. He was a meter 68.
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1555501

Don't know if it has been posted so far. Pilot size 1.68m sound ok to me.

SlipBall 02-28-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks (Post 229155)
Translated by google:


http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1555501

Don't know if it has been posted so far. Pilot size 1.68m sound ok to me.


As presumed, thanks:grin:

Strike 02-28-2011 08:01 PM

I'm 1,97, wanna play basketball?

major_setback 03-01-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks (Post 229155)
Translated by google:


http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1555501

Don't know if it has been posted so far. Pilot size 1.68m sound ok to me.

Yes, but he looks scaled down from a larger figure, rather than a short chap who would have different proportions and larger head.

BadAim 03-01-2011 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blakduk (Post 228869)
Regarding the pictures of the stabiliser shadows on the 109's- they were not fixed completely to the tail section. They could be tilted to trim the aircraft- as i understand it they were not adjustable in-flight, and could only be set by groundcrew. I think the shadow gap is overdone but it is not apparent on the models of the other planes (such as the Spits and Hurricanes).
The problem of floating elements on smaller parts such as the exhaust covers and aerial masts is definitely there, as illustrated by the excellent examples posted by Major_setback, but the 109 stabilisers shadow gaps is partly due to the design of the real aircraft and therefore the true-to-life computer model.

The tilting stabilizer was actually the trim control, adjustable from the cockpit. The tabs for the rudder and aileron were adjustable on the ground only iirc with pliers. I've been trying to find a picture that shows any kind of actual gap, but I've had no luck, it must've been pretty tight.

Kikuchiyo 03-01-2011 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major_setback (Post 229590)
Yes, but he looks scaled down from a larger figure, rather than a short chap who would have different proportions and larger head.

I'm 1.69m. I do not suffer from dwarfism. As a matter of fact that is only slightly below modern average height for a male at 1.72m. I don't know how you figure that slightly below average height is a "midget." A "midget" tends to be just at or above 1.2m.

Xilon_x 03-01-2011 06:17 PM

the man inside the plane was too broad shoulders is very disproportionate.
broad shoulders.
small head
you should see him naked without a uniform to make a careful analysis.
HUMAN PROPORTION
http://www.abruzzocultura.it/abruzzo...Vitruviano.jpg
http://arsludica.org/wp-content/uplo...04/snap154.jpg
flight machine LEONARDO
http://www.leonardo3.net/leonardo/da...%20volanti.jpg

Richie 03-01-2011 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major_setback (Post 229101)
I must say that my favourite screenshot so far must be this...
...showing a nice blend regarding the brightness of the paint-job and markings.
It makes such a big difference when there two are matched!

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...224_130618.jpg

I think the weathering and also the pilot size look very good here.

Mad G 03-01-2011 08:11 PM

Oh, come on! This Leonardo´s man body has Hollywood star proportions! Besides pilots have flight suits, mae-wests, chutes, helmets, wires, etc. We´ve been living happily with a cranpy pilot in IL2 for years. Pilots now looks much, much better!

Richie 03-01-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Xilon_x (Post 229650)
the man inside the plane was too broad shoulders is very disproportionate.
broad shoulders.
small head
you should see him naked without a uniform to make a careful analysis.
HUMAN PROPORTION
http://www.abruzzocultura.it/abruzzo...Vitruviano.jpg
http://arsludica.org/wp-content/uplo...04/snap154.jpg
flight machine LEONARDO
http://www.leonardo3.net/leonardo/da...%20volanti.jpg


Maybe by a bit but this is not a First Shooter sim. Aren't we being extremely picky here? As Mad G said he does have a lot of equipment on. He is a little on the bulky side but not by that much.

dali 03-01-2011 08:32 PM

some people here need to find themselves a girlfriend...

McHilt 03-01-2011 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dali (Post 229707)
some people here need to find themselves a girlfriend...

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but seriously, some people obviously think 1C got it all wrong proportionwise.... well, I guess 1C is more than capable to get it just right... because... it is. And if it's a bit off, so what.

Richie 03-01-2011 09:00 PM

I think even Tree would agree that the big pick of the 109 above is pretty good. Also this thing about the pilots head movie with your head is going to be hysterical for the people who are shooting down an enemy if they can get a look at a confused pilot. Looking and twitching, searching the sky for the enemy seeing everything but him looking like a maniac on an over does of diet pills with fire ants in his pants. :) You could ask a person a question who doesn't have a mic but is on coms you are flying next to and he could nod or shake his head yes or no.


Quote:
Originally Posted by zapatista View Post
Hi Oleg,

thx for the new screenshots, they look very good !

is the pilot figure "head" now moving in the direction we are looking to inside the cockpit ? i remember you hoped to have it working by release time, but dont know if there was any update if you were able to include it.

Oleg: Yes it is

Hecke 03-02-2011 04:14 PM

I bet we get screenshots again this friday.

nearmiss 03-02-2011 04:23 PM

Hecke yeah! :mrgreen:

At this point... I can't see the big interest in updates, except to know where you can buy it. :confused:

Some in game Videos and good sales propaganda would be a plus, of course.:-P

Effectively, I am just laying back waiting for the inevitable day when I get my copy of it. :rolleyes:

The storms will begin shortly thereafter with zillions of questions and complaints. Best part is... Ubisoft forums will be up and they can take some heat.:evil:

proton45 03-03-2011 04:37 AM

I think things are looking pretty good... I'm not to worried about the pilot size and stuff like that...I'm much more interested in flight models and damage models. Personally I feel good about the future of "air combat simming"...and I'm seeing some really great "gaming details" in these up-dates. Its nice to see that Oleg doesn't get hung up on all the bul! $h*t that fly's around these forums. I'm glad to see that he is sticking to his vision of the game. Honestly, I'm really impressed by the attention to "historical detail" that some of our fellow forum members have. But the vision and focus of this sim would get watered down if Oleg spent all his time chasing down every little complaint people have...It would be great if this sim was as accurate as real life, but I'm I realist.

"We are about to embark upon a great adventure, toward which we have waited these many years. The eyes of the community are upon Oleg and crew. The hopes and prayers of "Flight combat" loving people everywhere will be answered soon. In company with the community and fellow internet fliers, we will bring about the destruction of mediocre gaming, the elimination of boredom and the opportunity to experience "historical air combat" that is as realistic as possible."

p.s. I'm sorry if anyone finds my parody to be in bad taste. :)

major_setback 03-03-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by McHilt (Post 229708)
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but seriously, some people obviously think 1C got it all wrong proportionwise.... well, I guess 1C is more than capable to get it just right... because... it is. And if it's a bit off, so what.

The reason: The planes look totally out of scale and too big if the pilot appears to be too small.

It ends up looking like one of those awful Hollywood mock-ups from a film set.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ipboard0ft.jpg

Jimko 03-03-2011 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major_setback (Post 230182)
The reason: The planes look totally out of scale and too big if the pilot appears to be too small.

It ends up looking like one of those awful Hollywood mock-ups from a film set.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ipboard0ft.jpg

Exactly! The best comment yet on the importance of pilot scale (and the only issue I've had with the previews to date)!

It won't matter in flying sequences but any close-up will show the scale disproportion.

Well said, major!

Romanator21 03-03-2011 04:57 PM

"Who wanted a tall pilot?"

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1555501

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...9&d=1298885667

:)

McHilt 03-03-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major_setback (Post 230182)
The reason: The planes look totally out of scale and too big if the pilot appears to be too small.

It ends up looking like one of those awful Hollywood mock-ups from a film set.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ipboard0ft.jpg

Well you're totally right Major...
But I guess the issue is well known to 1C now... after all the fuss about it. People made their point and it's clear, no need to bring it up over and over again. It will be fixed some day in the near future, be sure. I for one have total confidence in Oleg and his crew or any modder/3rd party for that matter. :cool:

Some are just too hysterical about it... (just my 2 cts)

JG52Uther 03-03-2011 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romanator21 (Post 230297)

Yes,some people will be much happier with that... ;)

zabr0 03-03-2011 09:27 PM

fantastic, cant wait to burn up my new graph card with this ...cheers

Letum 03-03-2011 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McHilt (Post 230302)
It will be fixed some day in the near future, be sure.

I have heard that before.


People don't make a noise...nothing gets done.

proton45 03-04-2011 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum (Post 230411)
I have heard that before.


People don't make a noise...nothing gets done.


Lol...theirs absolutely no proof to that end. Anyone that has been paying attention to Oleg and his team would understand that they have their own set of priority's...and screaming, bitching or moaning about all the issues that, "ruin the game", dont make anything change "faster" (or at all).

If Oleg "agrees" with the community, and he confirms that their is a problem that can be fixed...he will add it to the list, and they will try and correct the problem.

I can think of a half dozen things that people have been moaning about for years....50 cal, castrated P-51, Spitfires stuff, and in each case Oleg has discussed and explained the "pro's & con's" of the situation. "Making noise" (as you put it), isn't going get things done...I have yet to see Oleg persuaded by "noise"...lol

BigC208 03-04-2011 01:59 AM

I looked at the 109 E3's again and the Lufties are going to get it! None of the E3's I've seen so far has been field modified with pilot armor. Those 8 x 303's maybe not very potent against bombers but without that armor plate the 109 Lufies are toast! Quick pray and spray from the 45 degree rear quadrant and another one bites the dust. Wonder if they're putting in the arcade arrows from il2. Be educational to see where the bullets go in and out.

I've complained in the past about the size of the pilots. People talk about them being too small. It's not about their height. It's the whole scale thing. Even a 1.68m grown up is going to have wide shoulders. Right now they have the bodies of underdeveloped boys. We all know why they did it so it's cool. I played a few quick missions in Il2 tonight and never really paid much attention to the guys in the other cockpits. Not even the guys I flew in formation with. The only people that this really matters to are the film makers. They do a lot more cockpit shots from different angles. Wonder if it would be possible to make the pilot bodies notice cockpit walls and interact with them like in real life. This way they could increase the pilots volume by say 10 % and not have them poke thru the side of their aircraft. Either way it's not going to spoil the fun for me. ( I will bitch though if I see an arrow missed a pilots head because he's a bloody midget;)).

Pierre@ 03-04-2011 07:24 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...ro/ArmorE3.jpg

kaisey 03-04-2011 08:07 AM

"Right now they have the bodies of underdeveloped boys".



Umm I think quite a lot of those pilots were undeveloped boys.

RCAF_FB_Orville 03-04-2011 10:01 AM

Enormously underwhelm'd.

Wow. It looks Sweet FA like Britain/England.....and that is the truth. Club Tropicana drinks are freeeeeee!:) :grin:

But what the phluck do people know (Englishmen) , who actually live here? The mind boggles.

Lets all carry on taking advice from JOHNNY FOREIGNER then. I can't wait for the Kick off. I'm going in there ALL GUNS ******* BLAZING regardless of load out....though AP is currently taking me fancy. :grin::grin::grin:

No Mercy. Not even for the Red Cross. You started it, accept the consequences.

Welcome to England Mein Freunds. Enjoy your stay.

Foo'bar 03-04-2011 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville (Post 230524)
You started it, accept the consequences.

Err.. WHO?

Ploughman 03-04-2011 10:51 AM

The simulated Axis types in the simulated war sim thing one presumes, unless there's something you're not telling us Foo'bar?

Man, all that armour on the canopy of that hundredunein must've made it a right illegitimate son to lift.

steam 03-04-2011 12:25 PM

New two videos (scroll page down)
http://spread-wings.ru/index.php?opt...=372&Itemid=43

41Sqn_Banks 03-04-2011 12:26 PM

Google translator:
http://translate.google.de/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

GnigruH 03-04-2011 02:09 PM

Nice.


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