This is close to what I am thinking, but I think the game is closer to release status and the screenies we are getting are just showing bits and pieces.

What we don't know is where the game play is in development. I think most of us would agree that the graphics are good to great (with a few posters taking exception lol). But are the game play aspects close to release status? Have frame rates been optimized sufficiently?


"We" don't know (I certainly don't) anything really. Oleg might be the only person who knows for sure with everyone else working on bits and pieces. Anything I or anyone else says is speculation and pretty pointless.

I will say this though....Christmas is around the corner. One would think there would be a push on to get the game out sooner than later for the buying season.

The good news for me personally is I am new enough to IL-2 to have plenty of game left to explore :). You guys that have been with this for 10 years are the ones who are hurting.

Splitter

LOL I've been around since the beginning, and I'm not yet tired at all of Il2 ... on the contrary I still enjoy online combat with my squad mates on full switch servers ... and recently had a lot of fun with the Joint-Ops courses ... actually re. SoW:BoB the latest willthe better, because I'm afraid I will miss the scenario/planes variety of Il2.

Ins.

i really hope so, the last two or three weeks discussions have been ... well, something you'd need a good dose of humor to enjoy.

also...
 

Not so long ago, there was a rumour that SOW was dead...Ubisoft was under fire and nothing was moving on this forum...Oleg was gone and we all feared (:confused:) that the project was canned. Suddenly, Oleg was back on tracks with SOW, and the game looked a bit different than what was previously presented to us... So what happended ? What was going on during those few ( months) ? So is it possible to assume that we dont have a clue about the real state of SOW ? IMHO, this mystery is part of the big secret surrounding SOW...
ANd it is just plain fun to get into X-Files conspiracy theory...:grin:...since we have nothing else to do for now...Hum...Apart working, taking the kids to school and so on....:rolleyes:

Salute !

looking great...cant imagine having all those distance images rendering, that is going to be incredible...water looks fantastic..:cool:

The Lysander-operations took place only during periods of moonlight. For really low flying you don't use the altimeter, you use your eyes.

My conspiracy theory is that SoW was dropped by the publisher. Hence the move to the new forums and the removal of IL2 references in storm of war.

LOL, they'd laugh at comments like yours :-P

Seriously, if these shots are a year old or more then it would have to be one hell of a conincedence to see new additions and tweaks to the game that members of the community suggested. Not only that, tweaks to the game that people talked about with Oleg via e-mail etc.

Despite some funny issues of debate that stretched for pages (head size etc) a lot of the comments are quite interesting and the discussion is too.
Whether or not Oleg replies to every-post now, clearly they take all the comments on board in one way or other.

A few years ago, some-people were saying exactly the same thing. They then said it the next year, and the next. It doesn't work like that. The game will be relased when the team are happy to release it (unless they're under pressure to get it out). Oleg and the team have cornered their market already. A celebration of jesus' birthday wouldn't convince me to buy the game any more than a normal week-day would.
Of course there's a Christmas market, but having a few more buyers won't affect sales drastically. In fact; if the game is incomplete on release, the newer buyers would be put off the genre.

there's a lot of factors involved.
personally I'd just like to see a sim that lives up to the expectations we've been hinted to be able to enjoy. That's all I can ask for. otherwise it's back to BoB2/Il-2. The former has the best dynamic campaign, and the latter the most to offer out of any flight sim.

;)

yes...but...
 

But they can modify some models without showing anything in hi-res or any F/X...They also can add suggestions and posting sreenshots in low-res, DX9 and no AA...Hum...That is exactly what they are doing....?
ANd the terrain looked much better a year ago in some sreens...
All I am saying is that they are keeping the best for a final official video
that will be amazing :grin: ...Because we already have had bits and pieces of
much better exemples of the top notch quality of SOW in previous postings...
Otherwise, it would mean that the game is months away from final release..
That is also a possibilty...:(

salute !

Well, they'd need a lot of free time to do that! LOL

I secretly hope you're right. It'd be a laugh :D

God people will believe any little comment someone posts....their was never a reliable rumor about the sim being dead. Just troll posts...

I was only reffering to a situatiuon that lasted for few weeks on this forum...
Of course it was nothing more than a rumor.,.But this whole forum is all about rumors ;) since all we've got is few low- res screenshots every 7 days on one hand, and on the other Oleg's statements about up coming (he insisted on 2010) release and top notch graphics...
Now, with the info (or lack of) we have at this point, trying to put those two hands togheter :!: demands a lot of...speculation ...and imagination...:cool:

Speculation + imagination= rumors...:rolleyes:

Salute !

Don't forget there was transformation from OpenGL in to DirectX .
That of course must look different comparing OpenGL graphics back
then and now with the latest DirectX screenshots .
So called " BoB:SoW " video which was included with IL-2 1946 release
was using previous OpenGL rendering engine and not the new DirectX :cool:

Didn't Oleg tell some time ago that OpenGl will be the main in SoW BoB? So i guess it will look better in OpenGL.

No, it was the other way around and the engine is now based on DirectX. Shouldn't make much of a difference for the end result anyway; my understanding is that DirectX is more convenient for development these days, and the driver situation also seems to be better.

Thanks for clearing up.
But he said that it will look better on Nvidia cards? Hope i'm not wrong again.

I'm sure he probably meant that the game is more optimized for NVidia cards since they apparently supplied him with some samples. Then again he's not likely to ignore over 1/2 the market and not do some optimizing for ATI cards as well. A lot of games that were optimized for one usually only run a few FPS better than the competitor.

As far as looking different on one card compared to the other . . . I don't think you can really do that.

I don't think Nvidia has a card as fast as a 5970.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oddGwo5oM8

son of the b
in december when i buy my 5850 i was thinking i have the (almost) top of the top, except the 5870.

Linus here gives a brief description of why dx11 so good. I didn't know this about running better.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWsVBpApOY

Either it runs better, or you can have more polygondetail and it runs the same. I think that should be the advantage of DirectX 11 so you can't say BoB will definately look better with it.

Personally, i'm not interested in 3 Monitors.

Looks good here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mng8JU692iY

Bf-109 yellow engine cowling looks extreemly clear! It should not be!
 

The yellow covering of the Bf-109 engine at the update photos, have to be dirty just like the fuselage of the Spitfire at the photo bellow.
There have to be a traces of lot of oily fingers and palms on it!
~Cheers!

We'll need grass clippings from the grass strips!

Yellow paints are notoriously thin on pigment. Always have been, no matter how much lead they chuck in it. The various colours of paint underneath tend to show through also.

Then i got even worse news for you;


ati is comming with the 6000 series near christmas this years, faster then the 5870 or the 5970...:cool:
So, this christmas you could buy a faster card for the same money as you wanted to buy in the same period.

So, you still get to beat the 5870...Or at least simular performance for way less.

I'd probably even wait a card or two into the 6000 line before buying. The first card usually has a bit of a price-gouge effect going on, and later ones (sometimes even a month later) can usually be had for much less and unlocked to run the same speed or even faster than the "flagship card".

That's right! More details - better immersion!

~Regards!

The 15th is Battle of Britain day, and the "Battle" itself went on until the end of October 1940 so there might not be an announcement for another six weeks or so. Plus of course the Axis didn't recognise it as a "Battle" as such and as they were the other team taking part I suppose their opinion is just as valid.

Anyways, my point is that it's done when it's done. Personally I hope it takes a little longer so I can save up more for my next rig.

Hood

The last we heard from Oleg was that 'thousands will be playing in or before October', obviously this isn't going to happen, but to be fair he didn't say which October. :grin:

1941.

2005, and supposed to be released in 2007...

You are wrong!

The last we heard from Oleg is the first post of this thread. This is a weekly update.

We hear from Oleg and Luthier on a regular basis. Every forums on the internet links to the weekly update thread on this site. People are always excited to see what is coming in SOW.

As I have just been told to pull my head in..on the suject and I will..

I will not say another word.

But I stand by in what Have said

Thank you for reading

and Salute

p.s Oleg if I have Insulted you in my comments Sry. Just That I say what i think.

:mrgreen: +100

Obviously I was refering to release dates.

Maybe Oleg had in mind a large team of testers (thousands members) :grin:

Was this done in Dx11? Does anyone know?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMFFQGryWhk&NR=1

You will know it is nearly done when a website officially opens and teaser video's start doing the rounds. As with all games before it until you start seeing promo material it is nowhere near done.
The promo stuff will be linked to the "new" publisher and so will the website.
Until then, be happy with what we are getting very decent updates, regular feedback and the joys of reading Tree :)

Woohoo, you are 100% right though Bobb IMHO, and I have being saying the same for quiet some time.

It doesn't contain anything graphics-wise that hasn't been shown in screenshots, so it's unlikely to be DirectX11. Although I'm not expecting a huge difference anyway.

Just developed a wild theory.

Doesnt this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMFFQGryWhk


remind anoyne of this (from 0:24):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GtsNqaE1yU



One and the same?

Both spits seems to behave iraticly sometimes (unstable/stall whatever)



Nothing speciall really, would just mean the SoW Spit video is quite old. Got to thinking since there seems to be a "debate" about weather we are shown everything thats brand spanking new or some old stuff just to tease us. :)


My point is: since noone of us knows the full context of whats beeing shown peoples crituiqe is based on mere guesses wich is proppably why every friday uppdate derails into nitpicking.

Actually, the official date of celebration of the victory of the Battle of Britain could have and a gift made in the form of video or, at least, more information about the progress of work or the official website launch ...;)

LMAO...these forums are like the virtual Church of Oleg. The worshippers all gather 'round and play patty cake anticipating the arrival of their savior and in the meantime pass the time straining their eyes and imaginations looking for the image of their beloved spitfire in the entrails of chickens. Once in a while the pastor shows up and wiles the worshippers with his wisdom who cling to it as though it were food and water.

Don't get me wrong, I'm digging these weekly screenshot rations, but honestly, that's all they are. They show some cool stuff, and display a definitively higher level of detail, but isn't that expected?

Forgive me for wanting meat and potatoes instead of cabbage water.

I think that the more people wait, the more they cover the same ground and after a while sides form and get entrenched.

There's many good points made by a lot of people here, regardless of what they believe about the state of the simulator and the potential of release, and there's also some needless remarks made by the exact same persons. It just goes part and parcel with the nature of internet forums and a bunch of highly enthusiastic (and thus, some too impatient and some too perfectionist) people discussing the same or similar things too often. People get tired of the repetition by others and then state something themselves that is already repetitive as well :grin:

The developers are not gods, but they are not stupid either. Could they screw up? They could potentially, they are humans after all. Do they have a proven track record? I'd say they do and i give them the credit due for it and the burden that goes alongside said credit that they will deliver another benchmark product.

I too get tired of reading a lot of similar things, but then again nobody is forcing me to and i'm also guilty of doing it myself for the reason outlined above: we cover the same ground too often. However, that doesn't detract from the fact that if one is willing to dissect the flow of posts in a reasonable manner, it's very much possible to separate the useful bits from the rest.

In short, don't let it get to you everybody and keep posting, as statistically speaking when you have a large enough number of people with a wide spectrum of opinions, you also will have a better spectrum of potential ideas and constructive criticism...we just have to be calm and separate the chaff from the wheat ;)

I think that despite the various rivalries, the place is still bubbling with anticipation if heated debates are anything to go by and most importantly, harsh remarks might be made from time to time but there has not been a concentrated effort to shut down anyone who's critical of the pace that progress occurs or any real or perceived features of the title.

We've had threads discussing anything from mission design and campaign structure to DRM, as well as people pointing out flaws and disagreements in some strong language and yet, to my knowledge there hasn't been any "forum-pogrom" by one side against the other. There are usually a few people who take up "forum-dueling" among themselves but the rest, regadless of personal opinion, manage to maintain a level-headed attitude.

This is way much more than can be said about another recent simulator title that was released in a state and with features that many potential customers found quite disagreeable. I don't want to point fingers just for the sake of pointing fingers, but if something is true then it's true and that's all there is to it.

When RoF was released (a year and a half ago was it?) it had a handful of flyables, no offline single player mode, no persistent server multiplayer mode, quite the host of technical issues, a precarious development history under a team that people weren't familiar with and a restrictive activation system that extended to the very ability to use the simulator one paid for with their hard earned cash and yet, when people talked about it all hell would break loose.

Hell can break loose in here too, but people are allowed to nitpick details to no end, from aircraft related ones that can be considered important like incorrectly modelled trim tabs, to scenery related ones like foliage types, plus they are allowed to do it to an extent that sometimes even important details get dragged down to the level of minutae, or as an ancient Greek saying goes about diminishing returns for the effort expended when directly translated, "refining the mosquito". Just a single comparison made for the sake of maintaining some perspective. The difference in amount of slack provided and scale of allowed criticism is enormous.

I don't agree with all the nitpicking, but i don't agree with the "wait and hope it gets fixed" school of thought either. It might seem like constant arguing sometimes, but i think the end statistical result of it all is a good amount of synergy between developers and fans and you know what? I think the dev team sees this too, despite the tiresome taks of having to wade through the static, otherwise they wouldn't let it continue or they would throw us a bone as a means of appeasement.

They know what we want to see in this sim because we are allowed to scream at what we think is wrong and vice versa, they actively try to fix issues that are being pointed out as evidenced by corrections shown in the weekly update (yes, issues as small as a reversed aerodynamic fairing on the 109's radio mast, i'm not saying it shouldn't be correct but it wouldn't make the sim unplayable for me if it wasn't) and for me, that's the most important thing. I don't know if they will get 100% right on release, but i guess it'll be a solid 70-80% in the worst case scenario and that is worth a delayed release in my book, as opposed to having to "fight" the game for the first few months and losing interest in it.

Of course, this is my personal opinion and not the absolute, universal truth, so everyone do feel free to strongly disagree, pick it apart and shoot it down at your own leisure...who knows, something positive might come out of the whole exchange and if it does, that's worth it too. It's good for a community when members are strongly opinionated, what's bad is them being dogmatic ;)

i like much first video of Sow i look the son reflection in the cokpit is fantastic but not send the sound of enjine.

Blackdog

A nice expression

The SOW will be released when it is done.

The SOW development is on the downwind leg.

Nothing mentioned on these boards will make it "Gold" faster.

There is pressure on the developer for the SOW to be finished, alot more pressure than most posters on this board have ever experienced.

Get busy with your life on other things, drop by every now and then to check status. Time will pass faster.

No sense working yourselves into a frenzy, and saying things you might regret. We all are anxious for SOW. We are all members of the "Waiting for the greatest WW2 air combat simulator of all time" club/clan.

Good post Blackdog, I would like to add that maybe the dev team should be a little more open about where they are currently, this would immediately end speculation and divsion, Oleg makes a statement about a potential release in September and then nothing! A simple 'we are not there yet guys' but soon, or we are aiming for blah would stop most of the bickering, its called communication and it simply stops speculation form all sides of the house and keeps 'us' informed. The constant 'none' statements from the dev team about previous hinted dates for either release/website construction/system spec's only serve to dishearten all but the most hardy.

I'd say that is an interesting approach, but I don't think the two are related. I think the video that was leaked is indeed the current SoW model. Watch it again and you'll see that a lot of aspects of it match what we have been shown over the past year.
A good example is the self shading, which I think never reached the old SoW version developed from Il-2. In many sense, the SoW video from 2006/7 time looks quite finished.

+ 1

Why would Oleg tell all the whining, sniveling turds a damn thing? So that he may incur even more whining and sniveling? The rest of us are waiting patiently anyway, actual adults don't have to ask "are we there yet" every five minutes, we know we'll be there when we arrive.

I'm glad Oleg is the man he is and let's us have little peeks at his "baby" in spite of all the bitching and moaning.

Very cool in-cockpit Spitfire vid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1vZjPi7ZSk&feature=fvsr

This discussion took place a zillion times (and I merrily participated a trillion times, :D). Let's save bad nerves and avoid polluting the planet with 10 pages of posts. I will take this burden for you.

"Side A: Oleg should tell more to his faithful customers. We have the right to be informed, it costs nothing, it's good for the market, it's good for communication, my grandmother will be happy, blah blah blah ...
Side B: Oleg doesn't owe us anything, we have no rights whatsoever, disclosing too much is bad for the market, we are not customers because there's no product yet, it will be ready when it will be ready, go out and have a life, blah blah blah."

END OF THE DEBATE.

Aaaaaaah ... don't you feel better now ? :D

Nice Vid Richie,

Thanks for sharing

S

Im not saying that Oleg should give us a weekly progress report mate, what im saying is that if Oleg gives an indication of a release date and then misses it, he could at least post something, because once somebody asks what as happened they get jumped on by all you super patient chaps. Oh and im not a turd.:grin:

Aaaaaaaaaaaah ...... much better now

I think the word here is "Toshay"

Touche? But with a French accent on the 'e'. I think.:);)

:) yeah you got it

You just want him to post a revised release date so that you can continue to flood us with your theory's...lol

Its just another excuse for one of Tree's "I told you so" topics... ;)

LOL I find it funny how many people get the word Voila wrong. (I'm missing the accent. I know.) Many spell it Walla, Vwala or Vwallah...... or any combination thereof.

Both touche and voila are pretty common expressions from the french language. Weird that they are so often spelled wrong.

Now if you ask me if the accent is ague or grave, I'd defer to our French members of the forum. It's been 30 years since my last French class. (I'm still working on my native tongue..... and no I don't mean gibberish. English :D)





EDIT: I can't believe that some of the members who have been here since the 1C/Maddox forums opened still get upset with Tree. I'd hate to see some of you around toddlers.

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

SHADDUP!!!!!!



For you Tree. Of course tongue is firmly planted in cheek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H68OMQyar3Y

Is this the kind of positive feedback you were expecting, Blackdog_kt?

:lol:

Seriously, though, I agree with you, Blackdog_kt! I said before (on a different forum) that Oleg and Co. are throwing out 'scraps to the dogs' and they must get some comic relief watching the antics...but that's not a bad thing! Obviously, he is willing to tell us a bit about their progress and nothing about the expected release date, for whatever reasons. More importantly is the fact that they still get a sense of how their innovations are being received and I'm sure they view the criticisms with a certain amount of tolerance and understanding. First of all, the statistics of the number of people who are critical of various things are few compared to the number of posters and the total number of viewers on any given update week. Second, a large number of criticisms, to a developer, when viewed in the context of some average percent of the total viewers can mean something....it's a statistic like a poll that tells the pollster that a percentage of the population feels strongly about some aspect. In this case, the weekly pictures are the poll, and the response can be judged from the feedback. However, you have to relate the number of positive and negative responses to the total number of viewers. Sometimes, it's apparent that a forum reader will make a first new post just because he feels strongly enough about something in one of the screenshots to finally post about it. And third, many posters are regulars who post again and again, so that has to be taken into consideration by the developers so it doesn’t warp the perception of the kind of feedback, positive or negative.

I think that they take all these things into consideration, they must be aware of them, and they are not dissuaded nor discouraged by the feedback. And I suspect that the weekly pleas for a release date or schedule just makes Oleg smile at the eagerness of the fans while he ignores those requests.

As a developer I would be much more worried about an apathetic audience than an over zealous one!

Touché and Voilà
 

Touché ! and Voilà ! ...We usually put the exclamation with those two...

There you go my friend !

Bonne nuit !

Thanks. Is there a way to get those accents on a U.S. standard keyboard? If I ever have to use a word with "funny accents" I'll Google the word and copy/paste.

Yes, you invade the country, and 'liberate' them.;)

Only kidding. Under XP, you'll find them here - All Programs/Accessories/System tools/Character Map:
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...987k/ChMap.jpg
I expect they are in a similar place under Vista & Win 7. There are keyboard shortcuts too, if you need them often (i.e. if you are a Mötorhead fan).

Thanks Andy. I don't use them often, but it would be great to have the right spelling and characters when it comes to certain words.

And whaddayaknow. There it is.

Simplest way under Win7 is to type Character Map in the search box at the bottom of the start menu and then select" Character Map" :D

This is SERIOUSLY off-topic for an SOW update thread btw

I quite enjoy my 'I told you so' topics, but i have to admit even im getting tired of them now. :grin:

lol, no offence taken mate, i know im an annoying git :grin::grin:

Yup, that's exactly what i'm talking about, it's like a polling system to see what the people expect to see :grin:

You do realize that my 'Are we there? Shappup' comment wasn't directed at you. Not that I'm trying to be a putz to those who find you an "annoying git", but I'm just surprised at folks reactions after all this time.

I can understand it... I'm just still surprised.


I COULDN'T pass up the Mr. Rogers thing though. It was tailor made for you, Tree. ;)

Oddly enough, my reply wasn't directed at you either, Tree. I'd never confuse an annoying git with a turd. ;) It was more of a general tirade on the overall situation in the forums (and granted, quite harsh). I would also like to see more of what's going on too, but a lot of it just can't be talked about because of legal/business considerations, or because of the simple fact that these guys are probably creating one of the most complex games ever made and they just don't know exactly how long it's going to take. Whenever we get a hint at whatever information is available for us, it get's dragged through the mud and blown out of proportion anyway, resulting in no real gain for the community.

LOL, I just realized how much time I spend bitching and moaning about the bitching and moaning. It's really an endless circle isn't it? Or is it a spiral? :D

Fantastic!:grin:
I really did laugh out loud.
Just Superb.
Nice one!:grin::grin:

lol :grin::grin: I know you wasn't calling me a turd personally buddy. No offence was taken. :grin:

I did rather enjoy it myself :grin:

Ah the new menu music for SOW.

Amazing level of detail in the Emil cockpit, great job!

Amazing....may I have some more please? :)

Since this forum week is almost up I thought I'd put this great Scharnhorst vid up. It's completely of topic but I think it's very much worth sharing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VftbTpl3k8