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edal86 01-03-2010 08:51 AM

Teams Are Ready!!
 
Alright guys, teams are ready, check the first page.

* please begin creating your squadrons of 4 (2 experienced, 2 beginners) and send me the players list via Private Message through this Forum before Saturday, January 9th.

* Rogue Squadron still needs to be assigned to a team but before I need to know who is the other member of this squadron

kozzm0 01-03-2010 10:52 AM

Hey would it be possible to have the mods (like trk) make the teams into two usergroups so we could each have our own thread? For strategy and so forth. I am admin of a phpbb so I know sometimes mods can set thread permissions and make usergroups, it depends on their mod powers

Since both teams have more experienced players than non-experienced, there will have to be a couple squadrons that aren't so clear-cut.

For team USSR, I have a bunch of data you can peruse to help pick a squadron, minus the actual draft order (unless edal thinks that should be available, I don't know... might be bad for morale). Some numbers about who's good at what, based on stats up till about dec 24th.

edal86 01-03-2010 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 132972)
Hey would it be possible to have the mods (like trk) make the teams into two usergroups so we could each have our own thread? For strategy and so forth. I am admin of a phpbb so I know sometimes mods can set thread permissions and make usergroups, it depends on their mod powers
.

This is a great idea kozzmo, I have contacted trk29 about it. Just to be clear, a Soviet team player wont be able to access the thread of a RAF player? Can these threads have their own passwords in order to access them?

Thanks for the help kozzmo

edal86 01-03-2010 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 132972)
Since both teams have more experienced players than non-experienced, there will have to be a couple squadrons that aren't so clear-cut.

I understand, lets just try to keep the known best players team up with those who have declared that they are new to the game or that come from realistic and are starting to try out simulation mode. In any case, squadrons need to be approved by me. I promise that I will verify that squadrons are balanced and I will be fair about it.

STINGERSIX78 01-03-2010 11:47 AM

Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

edal86 01-03-2010 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 132992)
Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

does ar_kozz know about this?

winny 01-03-2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 132992)
Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

Ouch...

STINGERSIX78 01-03-2010 11:58 AM

not good ? im a completely noob. i use only bnz-tactics. and they are easy with the right plane...

STINGERSIX78 01-03-2010 12:02 PM

@edal

i have asked him on psn and via pm. and i think, he would join us.
but is the squadron to hard ?

edal86 01-03-2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 132995)
not good ? im a completely noob. i use only bnz-tactics. and they are easy with the right plane...

What I mean is that if you have asked these players if it is ok with them. If they agree, then I will accept this squadron. Also, please figure out a name for it unless you want it to be named "Soviet Squadron"

STINGERSIX78 01-03-2010 12:08 PM

ok,ok... im just so excited ... ^^ i clarify it.

edal86 01-03-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 132996)
@edal

i have asked him on psn and via pm. and i think, he would join us.
but is the squadron to hard ?

Oh ok. Well, It will be a strong Soviet Squadron but it sounds ok, also, I know you guys have good communication among yourselves and I will not go against that.

* As soon as Ar_kozz confirms this I can approve this squadron my friend (well you are really my enemy now lol)

STINGERSIX78 01-03-2010 12:13 PM

get a packet of extra-boost in your *lousy* british-paperplane... ^^ *joke*

edal86 01-03-2010 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 133001)
get a packet of extra-boost in your *lousy* british-paperplane... ^^ *joke*

lol, battle begins January 9, not right now. You are attacking in advance lol. Good to hear you are excited.

** Guys, you can also design your Squadron Signatures as soon as I approve your squadron list. Post your signature and I will add it to your signature stats

InfiniteStates 01-03-2010 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winny (Post 132994)
Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 132992)
Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

Ouch...

LOL +1 - that is a badass squadron :o

STINGERSIX78 01-03-2010 01:41 PM

this was a first assembly by members of my friendlist. should we mix it up again ?

haitch40 01-03-2010 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates (Post 133010)
LOL +1 - that is a badass squadron :o

ahh but i have faith in edal that he could take them all down with just one good wingman and no1 else

haitch40 01-03-2010 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 132786)
you and everyone else who didn't pick a team up till a while ago are considered free agents and will be drafted

This should happen soon, whenever edal is awake today, as long as I don't go to sleep first

drafted ok there is only one country that has the legal right to draft me that is england :D
oh well il go with whoever id just like to be british

kozzm0 01-03-2010 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 132992)
Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

not really fair for the UK team...

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal
Just to be clear, a Soviet team player wont be able to access the thread of a RAF player? Can these threads have their own passwords in order to access them?

If this is a normal php bulletin board, there's no passwords needed. Every forum or thread has a number of "permissions" that can be set, such as read, post, edit, vote, etc, for each user. To make things simple, it's usually done by usergroup. Default usergroups are things like "guest," "registered," "mod," "admin" and each of those groups has specific permissions for each forum, e.g "guest" has read everywhere but nothing else. But an admin can create usergroups also, and change permissions for them, so it's possible to make a thread that is open only to one usergroup and locked to everyone else.

Whether a mod can do that depends on the board and how much power the mods have.

if it wouldn't work here, it could be moved to another site. I could use my old, dead ps2 clan site, but it would be easier to just make a new phpbb from scratch, since it's free and there would only need to be two forums.

Unfortunately that would confuse a lot of people

P-51 01-03-2010 02:23 PM

Wouldnt mind Trk29, Philabong2, mage_016 and myself in a team. What do you 3 and edal think?

edal86 01-03-2010 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haitch40 (Post 133019)
drafted ok there is only one country that has the legal right to draft me that is england :D
oh well il go with whoever id just like to be british

You have already been drafted by the UK.

** Guys please check the first page of this thread, Teams are ready

*** Squadrons Dont affect the other team in any way, or make it unfair for the other team. The purpose of squadrons is to have cummulative deaths, Squadron members will have to reach a certain amount kills and games played in order to rank up. When the Squadron's cummulative deaths reach a certain number those squadron members will become cassualties. This will affect the manpower available for their team. Those squadron members will then need to begin from the lowest rank again (unless a member reaches the Rank of Squadron Leader or beyond, then their deaths will be treated differently). This will help balance the deaths of beginners (who die a lot) and experienced (who die less). It will be somewhat difficult to reach the top 4 ranks but not impossible for an experienced player.

[edit]
In other words, the stronger a squadron, the more likely that its members will dominate the top ranks, this is why it would be better to balance squadrons out. Purpose is so that everyone has the opportunity to reach the top as well as have fun, the more you rank up then the more you are allowed to do to determine the outcome this "Battle for Europe"

trk29 01-03-2010 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 133024)
not really fair for the UK team...




Whether a mod can do that depends on the board and how much power the mods have.

I don't know if this is possible here I asked admin so I will have to wait to see.

trueshotcaller 01-03-2010 10:56 PM

Cool, good to see this is up and running... Kozz I'm guessing you'll put me on a balanced squad... or am I supposed to communicate with other team members and try to create our squad myself..? Let me know, I'm cool either way...

STINGERSIX78 01-04-2010 03:28 AM

i think...
the diplomatically, and maybe the fairest way is....

EDAL SHOULD NOMINATE THE SQUAD-LEADER/SQUADRONS !!!

i think this is VERY fair.
aaand, U must fight TOGETHER with some unknown warriors.
NO excuses, NO friendship, ....

ONLY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GUNS.....

edal86 01-04-2010 06:53 AM

Ok, I think this option is balanced and fair:

*Squadron UK(1)
- infinitestates, hrok81, haitch40, edal86

* Squadron UK(2)
- subarugaz, wissam24, ezee63, rhah

* Squadron UK(3)
- dihno28, winny1973, irrelevant24, rotortrash

* Penor Flight (UK)
- xxsilencexx, dubbinenglish

* Squadron UK(5)
- Steyr_amr, xxwhiterhinoxx

(If penor flight wants to accept steyr_amr and whiterhino to their flight that would be great)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

* Squadron USSR(1)
- kozzmo, macademic, stlngerslx, panz1t

* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

* Squadron USSR(3)
- Mirgervin, trueshotcaller, fangface666, drozz6699

* Squadron USSR(4)
- Mage_016, Varcus2, olife-, filthyprick


*** (if you guys are happy with these Squadrons then just name your squadron and let me know)

* Rogue Squadron is still pending, I need to hear about you guys. Please contact me.

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx 01-04-2010 07:06 AM

Whiterhino and Steyr_Amr are from Europe right? I don't know how often I would be able to fly with them if that's the case...

edal86 01-04-2010 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xX-SiLeNcE-Xx (Post 133180)
Whiterhino and Steyr_Amr are from Europe right? I don't know how often I would be able to fly with them if that's the case...

you dont have to fly with them all the time. Most likely, you will end up having to play alongside someone from squadron 1, another from squadron 2, and so on. This is only to balance players deaths.

What is important is to play for the team, not necessary for the squadron. Although, a squadron's role is important in that a strong squadron will have at least 1 of its members on 1 of the top 4 ranks which are the ranks that allow you to dictate the team's objectives


[edit]
I have decided that Rogue Squadron and Penor Flight remain private because these are personal squadrons and I don want to invade them in any way. So, steyr_amr and whiterhino will be squadron 5 and as more players join the tournament I will fill in the empty spots. The reason for this is that these are unofficial squadrons, only to be treated as squadrons for the duration of this tournament.

No changes will be done to the squadrons of the UK Team. However, Kozzmo will have the authority to change the USSR squadrons only if team USSR players agree to it. I will not interfere with team USSR's decisions because, even though, I am the organizer of this Tournament, I am also a participant of the opposing team. In short, it is not wise to allow the enemy (me) to partcipate in any of your plans. Agree?

Mage_016 01-04-2010 07:30 AM

I'm pretty happy with these new planned squadrons. Balancing was good idea and you managed to to do good job with it, as usual. This will be great..

edal86 01-04-2010 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mage_016 (Post 133187)
I'm pretty happy with these new planned squadrons. Balancing was good idea and you managed to to do good job with it, as usual. This will be great..

thanks,
reaper had requested a squadron composed of you, trk29, reaper1526, and philabong. I suspect because you are all VAS members. However, I thought that that was too strong of a squadron. I replaced you for He-111 (he is also VAS) so that reaper's original squadron would remain all VAS members and I made you "leader" of another squadron. I based this on the results from Ace of Aces, statistically you are the second strongest of the team.

edal86 01-04-2010 08:13 AM

To all USSR Players
 
This is directed towards the USSR team,

As of January 9th we will be enemies, I will not be responsible for mobilizing you guys into playing. I expect you guys to work as a team and depend on each other. I will still be answering questions about the tournament and editing your stats. However, dont expect me to keep informing you guys of what is happening via PSN. All the information you guys and the UK team members will need is going to be posted on the first 3 posts of this thread (first page). I have referred to this posts as Bulletin Boards. I hope you guys understand and if you dont, then, imagine having to contact 30 players each week to let them know what to do and what is happening. Thanks.

Also, to all players. This tournament was created for all of us to have fun. You guys filled the spots and made this tournament possible. Please try your best to participate. If I notice that not much is happenning on the first 2 weeks, or so, of this tournament, then, I will simplify it and make it easier on me. This tournament required hours of thinking and it will require more hours to keep it functioning smoothly. I do every thing by hand and with my cheap Paint program. I am happy to do this and excited because in my mind it all looks excellent. I have intergrated ideas from the hypperlobby servers, Rome: Total War, and Battlefield 2. This tournament is not just something I came out with after the Holidays. I will be glad to do all the work if you guys participate as I expect you to. If interest is not demonstrated, then, I will not cancel the tournament but I will significantly simplify it. You will see what I mean when I mention complexity after I post the rules and description this coming Tuesday. I leave the decision in your hands.

- edal

P-51 01-04-2010 09:20 AM

Looks a good team to me. Philabong2,trk,he-111 you guys agree?

haitch40 01-04-2010 09:21 AM

this is starting to look complicated :S

edal86 01-04-2010 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haitch40 (Post 133211)
this is starting to look complicated :S

complicated in what way? Please post any doubts or questions.

kozzm0 01-04-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal
* Squadron USSR(1)
- kozzmo, macademic, stlngerslx, panz1t

* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

* Squadron USSR(3)
- Mirgervin, trueshotcaller, fangface666, drozz6699

* Squadron USSR(4)
- Mage_016, Varcus2, olife-, filthyprick

Based on player styles and languages I think something like this would work better for USSR:

1) philabong, varcus, olife, panz1t
2) mage, reaper, stingersix, trueshotcaller
3) kozz, macademic, he111, fangface
4) mirgervin, trk, drozz, filthyprick

though if it has no effect on who actually plays in a given match, it wouldn't matter except for training.

edal have you notified all team USSR members, if not then I will have to round them up

After thinking about it, I expect the site admins probably won't create usergroupd threads or forums because
1) it's a fair bit of work to create and maintain
2) they'd probably have to make trk an admin

so I have gone ahead and created a new website for team USSR. If the team isn't too confused maybe it will work.

The site is

http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com/

email activation is disabled, to keep it simple. All guests are considered spies. So register with something close to your psn id or name here, then I'll activate it, then you can post. There is already something very useful there.

as soon as it's processed, the site will be teamvvsrules.com

edal86 01-04-2010 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 133228)
Based on player styles and languages I think something like this would work better for USSR:

1) philabong, varcus, olife, panz1t
2) mage, reaper, stingersix, trueshotcaller
3) kozz, macademic, he111, fangface
4) mirgervin, trk, drozz, filthyprick

though if it has no effect on who actually plays in a given match, it wouldn't matter except for training.

edal have you notified all team USSR members, if not then I will have to round them up

After thinking about it, I expect the site admins probably won't create usergroupd threads or forums because
1) it's a fair bit of work to create and maintain
2) they'd probably have to make trk an admin

so I have gone ahead and created a new website for team USSR. If the team isn't too confused maybe it will work.

The site is

www.teamvvsrules.com

email activation is disabled so register with something close to your psn id or name here, then I'll activate it, then you can post. There is already something very useful there.

Can I take a peek?? lol just kidding. Well I guess team UK will have a little disadvantage in that we wont be able to post privately. Good thing we have got the best planes to compensate.

Kozzmo, I sent a simple PSN message to all players that teams are ready and to check the forum but I think it is better that you round them up as you said.

Yes, squadrons dont really affect how players must fly or organize, you guys (USSR) figure squadrons out. The squadrons that I posted would have been my choice for fair balanced squadrons but, again, I wont interfere

** Kozzmo, I will add your site to the first page of the thread as soon as it is confirmed that we cant have our own private thread on this forum.

Rhah 01-04-2010 11:43 AM

I'll be happy to lead (or be 2nd in command of) an RAF squadron... any volunteers?

We'll need a silly name.... like "Badger" flight... or something old-school RAF.
I'm open to suggestions!

kozzm0 01-04-2010 11:49 AM

edal the domain tag you quoted isn't active yet, so for now it's

http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com

in case anyone tries the link you quoted, I already changed it but it didn't change in the quote

edal86 01-04-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhah (Post 133230)
I'll be happy to lead (or be 2nd in command of) an RAF squadron... any volunteers?

We'll need a silly name.... like "Badger" flight... or something old-school RAF.
I'm open to suggestions!

I sort of already chosen squadrons for the UK team. We will all fly together, so squadrons wont really have leaders. im not saying that this wont be possible, but the main purpose of squadron is to balance player skills. I may look for a way to give squadrons a little more meaning. In any case, Rhah, in order for you to be second in command or flight leader I think you will have to prove yourself by being the highest or second highest ranking officer on your flight group.

Rhah 01-04-2010 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 133234)
I sort of already chosen squadrons for the UK team. We will all fly together, so squadrons wont really have leaders. im not saying that this wont be possible, but the main purpose of squadron is to balance player skills.

That sounds like a much better arrangement, and much easier to organise too. Just out of interest, can we see the squadron set up for the UK teams, or is it to be kept away from prying russian eyes?

edal86 01-04-2010 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhah (Post 133236)
That sounds like a much better arrangement, and much easier to organise too. Just out of interest, can we see the squadron set up for the UK teams, or is it to be kept away from prying russian eyes?

* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- infinitestates, hrok81, haitch40, edal86

* RAF Squadron (Badger Flight?)
- subarugaz, wissam24, ezee63, rhah

* RAF Squadron (????? Flight)
- dihno28, winny1973, irrelevant24, rotortrash

* RAF Squadron (Penor Flight)
- xxsilencexx, dubbinenglish

* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- Steyr_amr, xxwhiterhinoxx

Dubbedinenglish 01-04-2010 12:59 PM

Silence will be back in today, but I wouldn't mind consolidating with the other two if it helps the battle plan... Otherwise that is a pretty good list.

Rhah 01-04-2010 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 133237)
* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- infinitestates, hrok81, haitch40, edal86

* RAF Squadron (Badger Flight?)
- subarugaz, wissam24, ezee63, rhah

* RAF Squadron (????? Flight)
- dihno28, winny1973, irrelevant24, rotortrash

* RAF Squadron (Penor Flight)
- xxsilencexx, dubbinenglish

* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- Steyr_amr, xxwhiterhinoxx

Those look like pretty good teams. As for the names, well maybe Badger flight is a bit too lame :grin:.... but for authenticity's sake I reckon we should try and keep use WW2 RAF callsigns if we possible (with the exception of Penor flight of course).

irrelevant 01-04-2010 02:42 PM

:cool: dihno and i fly pretty well together and i think i've flown with the others once or twice.

winny 01-04-2010 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 133277)
:cool: dihno and i fly pretty well together and i think i've flown with the others once or twice.

Well... Hello firstly!

I'm still a newbie really.. Should be interesting and I'm looking forwards to learning a few tricks.

Add me, PSN winny1973.

irrelevant 01-04-2010 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winny (Post 133287)
Well... Hello firstly!

I'm still a newbie really.. Should be interesting and I'm looking forwards to learning a few tricks.

Add me, PSN winny1973.

hello, sir! ;) i'll definitely add you when i get home tonight. thinking back, i know i've flown with/against you before. this will be a lot of fun!

and no worries about being relatively new. i've flown since the day of release, yet i still get my butt handed to me by guys like edal and mirgervin... and silence... and more. LOL. honestly, i'm probably in the 50th percentile of all online pilots. pretty good, but definitely not great. that is why i love the thought of this battle... it will be a team effort! :)

haitch40 01-04-2010 04:56 PM

hmm i think uk is going to win it hands down since we have edal
plus im getting better

haitch40 01-04-2010 05:00 PM

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thought id add a bit of moral boosting propaganda from the time :)

philabong2 01-04-2010 06:00 PM

* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

nice!

P-51 01-04-2010 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philabong2 (Post 133337)
* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

nice!

Looking forward to flying with you :D

fangface666 01-04-2010 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 133228)
Based on player styles and languages I think something like this would work better for USSR:

1) philabong, varcus, olife, panz1t
2) mage, reaper, stingersix, trueshotcaller
3) kozz, macademic, he111, fangface
4) mirgervin, trk, drozz, filthyprick

though if it has no effect on who actually plays in a given match, it wouldn't matter except for training.

edal have you notified all team USSR members, if not then I will have to round them up

After thinking about it, I expect the site admins probably won't create usergroupd threads or forums because
1) it's a fair bit of work to create and maintain
2) they'd probably have to make trk an admin

so I have gone ahead and created a new website for team USSR. If the team isn't too confused maybe it will work.

The site is

http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com/

email activation is disabled, to keep it simple. All guests are considered spies. So register with something close to your psn id or name here, then I'll activate it, then you can post. There is already something very useful there.

as soon as it's processed, the site will be teamvvsrules.com

I appreciate your confidence in picking me for your sqaudron, may I volunteer for the position of sacraficial lamb:-)

That said I cant register on the Team USSR site, gets caught in a loop on the "agree to terms" page.

Any way looking forward to this, as long as I can get online at the same time as the rest of the squadron.

And apologies to Edal for not being able to train in the flight school yet, time difference is against us I feel.

Any how, fellow team members feel free to add me, my psn is fangface666, and whats our squadron name? may I suggest Falcon Squadron after the comic strip character Johnny Red, a WWII british pilot that fought alongside the Russian Army :wink: google search (johnny red eagle comic)

STINGERSIX78 01-04-2010 10:22 PM

ok, now i m confused...
edals or kozzmos squadrons ?
i would prefer edals choice...

http://topbanana.files.wordpress.com...2/confused.jpg

edal86 01-04-2010 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 133375)
ok, now i m cofused...
edals or kozzmos squadrons ?
i would prefer edals choice...

My choice for USSR Squadrons are a recommendation only but USSR team players will have the decision to change these or keep them. Kozzmo selected USSR team and he knows how you guys fly and get along better. So the decision is for the USSR team.

* You have until January 8th to decide (please name your flight groups and if possible create an insignia or something for them.

* In case anyone missed the UK Flight Groups, they are now on the first page of this thread.

kozzm0 01-05-2010 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fangface666 (Post 133360)
I appreciate your confidence in picking me for your sqaudron, may I volunteer for the position of sacraficial lamb:-)

That said I cant register on the Team USSR site, gets caught in a loop on the "agree to terms" page.

Apparently the squadrons are only for score tabulation, not for actual fighting, meaning your squadron isn't the "team" for matches.

Since you can't register, I'll create an account with your name and pm you a default pass, then you can alter the pass at leisure. <edit: done. Check your pm's.>

mage and reaper your accounts are now active

stlngerslx there is no decision for the squadrons as yet... if we all register on shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com then we can figure it out or vote on it... post your squadron ideas there and I'll set up a poll when there's enough choices

but they aren't who you'll be fighting with, so it's not that important what the squadrons are.


edal: there is no such psn id as filthyprick, what's the correct PSN ID?

edal86 01-05-2010 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilthyPrick (Post 125263)
Ok, count me in...thanks for making the effort to set this up.

Can you please let us know your PSN ID.

He is part of VAS so his PSN must be on the VAS Squadron Thread

[edit] found it PSN ID is Lance1721

InfiniteStates 01-05-2010 09:50 AM

Random thought: time to sticky this, trk? ;)

fangface666 01-05-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 133461)
Since you can't register, I'll create an account with your name and pm you a default pass, then you can alter the pass at leisure. <edit: done. Check your pm's.>

Cheers for that will log in now:grin:

haitch40 01-05-2010 03:05 PM

btw edal are we going to implement my idea of protect the vip style game or not?

STINGERSIX78 01-05-2010 06:26 PM

Red-reapers
 
mirgervin
trueshotcaller
mage
stingersix

confirmed

edal86 01-05-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haitch40 (Post 133575)
btw edal are we going to implement my idea of protect the vip style game or not?

yes, I will. Thanks again for the idea


Kozzmo,

if team USSR squadrons are not ready by January 8 (Friday) please assign squadrons yourself. If I do not receive the ready squadrons by this day, I will use the squadrons that I listed earlier.

kozzm0 01-05-2010 07:43 PM

I see you changed the group name from "squadron" to "flight group," which is good since squadrons are at least 8 planes. 4 can be a flight. But a flight group is bigger

edal86 01-05-2010 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 133673)
I see you changed the group name from "squadron" to "flight group," which is good since squadrons are at least 8 planes. 4 can be a flight. But a flight group is bigger

good lets keep them as Flight when they are named then.

kozzm0 01-05-2010 07:51 PM

pans1t has told me he definitely can't play before march, so we're short a player.

We'll have the flights ready, don't worry. Some of us are more enthusiastic about it than others. Some of us are posting on other threads today but completely ignoring this one. I'll get them to pay attention, but if necessary, those that pay attention will choose for themselves, and those that don't, I'll choose for them.

edal86 01-05-2010 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 133679)
pans1t has told me he definitely can't play before march, so we're short a player.

We'll have the flights ready, don't worry. Some of us are more enthusiastic about it than others. Some of us are posting on other threads today but completely ignoring this one. I'll get them to pay attention, but if necessary, those that pay attention will choose for themselves, and those that don't, I'll choose for them.

ok, thanks. I have to do a couple of things before I head to work. When I return from work I will post the rules. So by the time the world awakes tomorrow, they should be able to read the rules.

good luck to all.

** About the one man short, he will still be on your team. There are players in the UK team who I have not heard from either. However, I contact a member of the Rogue squadron, he is interested in joining, so if you like, you can take him. I have not heard from dkwookie though, and I have sent him plenty of messages. We will figure it out, dont worry.

* another thing you could do is to recruit someone new. What ever happened to maninovka? Recruit someone for the USSR team if you like. All other new players will be drafted.

STINGERSIX78 01-06-2010 06:07 AM

i will ask tommykocher.

btw...
limited ammo on/off ?

edal86 01-06-2010 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 133796)
i will ask tommykocher.

btw...
limited ammo on/off ?

All matches will be limited ammo/limited fuel

STINGERSIX78 01-06-2010 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 133801)
All matches will be limited ammo/limited fuel

:(
i hate it, to suicide me for ammo.
especially in strike-games. 1 bombdrop and then kamikaze ??
for me in dogfights, it makes no differences, limited on/off... only bail out for ammo sometimes.
this suxx.
if we could rearm in the game, limited ammo makes sense.
but how it is, we should use unlimited.

or get we special-combat rules for this event ?

haitch40 01-06-2010 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 133818)
:(
i hate it, to suicide me for ammo.
especially in strike-games. 1 bombdrop and then kamikaze ??
for me in dogfights, it makes no differences, limited on/off... only bail out for ammo sometimes.
this suxx.
if we could rearm in the game, limited ammo makes sense.
but how it is, we should use unlimited.

or get we special-combat rules for this event ?

hmm we should be with limited fuel but ammo? im on the fence

haitch40 01-06-2010 08:48 AM

btw also what are we doing about korsun which will represent ukrain will we fight here or will this be considered soviet home terortory and falls with stalingrad? and i do mean falls as the british will win

STINGERSIX78 01-06-2010 08:58 AM

i use bnz tactics.
make 3-4 attacks,
shoot one,
get out of ammo,
bail out for ammo. stats 4-0 , kd 1-1...
next attempt.
annoying... :(

i think, the post-patch long reloadingtime is painfull enough in dogfights.
we have also limited bombs in unlimited-mode.

or i circle around for 30min and get a kd 1-0... ^^

edal86 01-06-2010 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 133827)
i use bnz tactics.
make 3-4 attacks,
shoot one,
get out of ammo,
bail out for ammo. stats 4-0 , kd 1-1...
next attempt.
annoying... :(

i think, the post-patch long reloadingtime is painfull enough in dogfights.
we have also limited bombs in unlimited-mode.

or i circle around for 30min and get a kd 1-0... ^^

Sorry, limited fuel/ammo will remain official. Maybe you will be more careful on the trigger. Dont worry it will work fine, I want it to be as realistic as possible. Unfortunately, there is no rearming option for the game. Only bombers will be allowed to re-fuel and re-arm.

* Just be careful with your ammo, dont waste it if you see a team mate going for the same target, dont fire too soon. I bet that by the end of the tournament you will be get 5 kills for every death.

edal86 01-06-2010 09:12 AM

im on the final details of the rules, they should be out of the oven in an hour or so :D

STINGERSIX78 01-06-2010 09:17 AM

Only bombers will be allowed to re-fuel and re-arm. ????

i am curious. ^^

(maybe , i choose a stuka for the dogfight ^^)

edal86 01-06-2010 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 133836)
Only bombers will be allowed to re-fuel and re-arm. ????

i am curious. ^^

(maybe , i choose a stuka for the dogfight ^^)

lol, yes. Oh, Jets and the BF 110 too, if your team can afford them ;)

[edit] sorry, only fighter planes will be allowed in (team deathmatch) and CTA. You can use the BF110 :)

edal86 01-06-2010 10:44 AM

Sorry guys, Im to sleepy now and tired, I will have everything posted by Tomorrow afternoon before I go to work. I want to be as satisfied as possible with the rules before I post them. I hope the wait will be worth it for you guys (in my opinion it all looks very nice :D)

I will probably have these rules on probation for the first 2 weeks to see how the numbers work. I may alter them a little just to adjust them to participation. Also, let the 2 weeks be a time of evaluation so that you guys can post any problems with the rules or extra suggestions. I just full of ideas, that is why I could never finish them. 10 pages that had to be turned in to 2 pages so that I could still have a little life of my own lol.

Hope you like them Kozzmo as soon as you read them please critique them and tell me about it. Good night

InfiniteStates 01-06-2010 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 133870)
I just full of ideas, that is why I could never finish them. 10 pages that had to be turned in to 2 pages so that I could still have a little life of my own lol.

Good work, fella... welcome to the world of game development and feature-creep lol. Maybe you can patch them later...? :-P

STINGERSIX78 01-06-2010 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 133854)
lol, yes. Oh, Jets and the BF 110 too, if your team can afford them ;)

[edit] sorry, only fighter planes will be allowed in (team deathmatch) and CTA. You can use the BF110 :)

hmmm, the bf110 is my second choice for a dogfight ... ^^
and i m sure, i would never have any problems with low ammo.... hmmm.

kozzm0 01-06-2010 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stlngerslx
i use bnz tactics.
make 3-4 attacks,
shoot one,
get out of ammo,
bail out for ammo. stats 4-0 , kd 1-1...
next attempt.
annoying...

i think, the post-patch long reloadingtime is painfull enough in dogfights.
we have also limited bombs in unlimited-mode.

limited ammo is better for the bnz'er than the dogfighter. Dogfighters waste a lot of ammo firing long bursts, and miss a lot too. Even the best have accuracy of maybe 3 percent.

That video I posted on the team site, it is limited ammo. When you bnz the target doesn't move around so much, so you can hit it with short bursts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 133854)
lol, yes. Oh, Jets and the BF 110 too, if your team can afford them ;)

[edit] sorry, only fighter planes will be allowed in (team deathmatch) and CTA. You can use the BF110 :)

ok false alarm about the jets but what's this about affording the planes? Are bf110's supposed to be a premium item?

trueshotcaller 01-06-2010 03:45 PM

Sorry Stinger & Kozz - I think you PSN messaged me while I was playing the MAG beta - I couldn't reply - the action in that game is hectic lol...

I'll roll with the team Stinger posted, or where ever Kozz thinks I should go if that team hasn't been *approved* - just let me know. I'll try to join your website today Kozz... anything I missed during my MAG binge?

P-51 01-06-2010 03:55 PM

I'M happy with ether your group kozz or edal choice for teams. Just stick me where you think I'll do best!

STINGERSIX78 01-06-2010 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueshotcaller (Post 133947)
Sorry Stinger & Kozz - I think you PSN messaged me while I was playing the MAG beta - I couldn't reply - the action in that game is hectic lol...

I'll roll with the team Stinger posted, or where ever Kozz thinks I should go if that team hasn't been *approved* - just let me know. I'll try to join your website today Kozz... anything I missed during my MAG binge?

mirgervin
trueshotcaller
mage
stingersix
are
RED-REAPERS

kozzm0 01-06-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-51 (Post 133950)
I'M happy with ether your group kozz or edal choice for teams. Just stick me where you think I'll do best!

reaper plz register on http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com and wait a few hours for me to activate it, then check the site

Quote:

Originally Posted by stlngerslx
mirgervin
trueshotcaller
mage
stingersix
are
RED-REAPERS

ok, you're the red reapers, then, as long as it's considered fair

P-51 01-06-2010 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 133986)
reaper plz register on http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com and wait a few hours for me to activate it, then check the site



ok, you're the red reapers, then, as long as it's considered fair

Have mate :D

edal86 01-07-2010 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 133963)
mirgervin
trueshotcaller
mage
stingersix
are
RED-REAPERS

I will see if this group is fair as soon as I see all the other USSR Flights.

edal86 01-07-2010 11:16 AM

Rules and Description Ready :)
 
Yes, I know. Finally!

After a long time of editing I have finally completed this baby.

Hope you enjoy, it is loading to Photobucket as I type (I seriously Hope its not too big a file) :S

Please post Opinions, thoughts, Doubts, Questions. I want to make sure you all understand these rules before the Beginning of the Tournament.

I still need to edit the European Map and Rank Insignias so Ignore those now.

I must delay the Official start of the Tournament until Sunday (for Organization Purposes) But Beginning Tomorrow perhaps, there will be a Pre-Official Start of "Battle for Europe". The Pre-Opening will determine: which 3 players (from each team) will obtain top 3 ranks for the first time, and which team will control Italy (the team that wins Italy will also be allowed to choose 2/3 Missions Settings for the first week of the Official Start of the Tournament.

[edit] Im having trouble with the image size :S

Spitfire23 01-07-2010 12:07 PM

Ahhh great news!

Cant wait to see what you got coming and get this badboy on the road :grin:

edal86 01-07-2010 12:19 PM

lol, I had to cut it into pieces but its finally Done!!!

Rhah 01-07-2010 12:39 PM

Woah..... My brain hurts a bit after reading that!! :) .... but, it seems like a pretty good setup. My only concern is with the challenging and hosting of games. Potentially we could be looking at regular 8vs8 matches, and that will require hosts with very good connections to minimise lag.

edal86 01-07-2010 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhah (Post 134173)
Woah..... My brain hurts a bit after reading that!! :) .... but, it seems like a pretty good setup. My only concern is with the challenging and hosting of games. Potentially we could be looking at regular 8vs8 matches, and that will require hosts with very good connections to minimise lag.

Its a lot of material I know, most of it is just to explain how the system will work. You probably did not finish reading it all because you posted before I added the last piece.

I dont think we will have a problem with 8 vs 8 because this will be a rare case to have that many players online at once. Even if we had all players online at once it could work by splitting them into the 3 different Briefings. Example: 4 vs 4 on Territory Capture and the other 6 vs 6 on Strategic Bombing. I think these rules give many of options.

People, it sounds complicated because I explained EVERYTHING. However, you guys will only have to worry about playing, and knowing what the briefings are each week. That is all. Only if you get to the top 3 ranks, then, a little more understanding will be required. Maybe when I add the Map of Europe and Briefings you will find it easier (visuals help many).

Kozzmo,
It is important that you read them, tell me what you think. Since you have that private website for the USSR you will be my link to them.

Rhah 01-07-2010 01:00 PM

You're right... I did jump the gun a bit there... Having read the rest of the rules it definitely makes more sense. You must have put a lot of time into this mate.... Cheers!

So the "warm-up" game is on saturday? Damn, I won't be able to make that one, but I'll hopefully be able to get involved when the tourny starts properly next week.

Looking forward to it!

edal86 01-07-2010 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhah (Post 134183)
You're right... I did jump the gun a bit there... Having read the rest of the rules it definitely makes more sense. You must have put a lot of time into this mate.... Cheers!

So the "warm-up" game is on saturday? Damn, I won't be able to make that one, but I'll hopefully be able to get involved when the tourny starts properly next week.

Looking forward to it!

Thanks, this makes me feel much better. I was worried about not being able to send the message across correctly. Yes, It took some time and thinking that is why I really want people to understand how these rules work, Everything will be more fun if you understand how it all works, and it may even stimulate you to want to get more involved. :D

P.S. Everything has an explanation. I have more pages and notes to answer any "what if ?" situation. Ask and you will get an answer (please be sure to read all of the rules before posting a question, though)

thanks

Rhah 01-07-2010 01:51 PM

After reading through it, I'm thinking that I'd quite like to get involved in the strategy of side of the tournament (assuming I can get a high enough rank). However, some people will just want to turn up and fly, so maybe you could do a very brief set of rules for those players. Maybe something like this:



For the player’s who just want to fly and aren’t worried about ranks and strategy.

Basic rules of the tournament:- Most importantly, Please listen to you what your superior officers say. They will let you know when the matches are, what aircraft are to be used, and your role in the battle.
- Treat all other players with respect.
- Add Edal86 to your friends list, so that you can send him screenshots if necessary.
- Add as many other players (from both teams) as you can to our friends list
- There are 4 types of matches: Air superiority (Team deathmatch), Strategic Bombing (Strike), Capture territory (Capture the Airfield) and VIP escort (Bomber escort on strike mode). The type of match will be chosen by the ranking officers on each team.
- Before the match starts, make sure you have the correct aircraft and loadout, and then ready yourself (So the green tick is showing). The host will start the match only when every player has done this, and a screenshot has been taken.
- Edal86 and the Officers in each team will take care of screenshots and statistics.
- No ramming bombers
- No ramming aircraft that have landed
- No babysitting captured airfields. Once and airfield has been captured, take off and fight asap.
- Officers cannot use the I-153.
- Each flight has can have a maximum of 200 deaths. Once that limit is reached, all ranks in that flight are reset.

Special rule for Bomber pilots:
Bombers are allowed to “re-arm”, To do this you can land your aircraft on your teams side of the map and take a screenshot (via the XMB menu) with the map opened, and your speed, altitude and bomb load at zero. For coastal maps like Sicily and Britain, you are allowed to land anywhere.
Please send the screenshot to Edal86 so that he can adjust the stats accordingly.
*Any editing of screenshots will result in a 2 week suspension from the tournament

STINGERSIX78 01-07-2010 02:00 PM

ok...
hard to translate everything for me. :(
so i make some questions.

screenshot via xmb ? how i am able to do this ?

Rhah 01-07-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 134201)
ok...
hard to translate everything for me. :(
so i make some questions.

screenshot via xmb ? how i am able to do this ?

Open the XMB (Cross media bar) by pressing the PS button on the control pad, then scroll left till you see the camera. Under that menu there is an option to "save screenshot". You can attach those screenshots to private messages

kozzm0 01-07-2010 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 134182)
Kozzmo,
It is important that you read them, tell me what you think. Since you have that private website for the USSR you will be my link to them.

first, I can't play sunday unless it's after 5 pacific time

I also doubt most or all of us will be ready to play for ranks today either. it would be better if we understood all the rules first... there are enough to make your head spin even if you're a native English speaker

I will have to re-read them to have a complete opinion but the first impression is it will work as long as people actually show up for the matches, and as long as there's no serious lag.

A few things that could be trouble:

) the i-153. Not that we mind having it.
) if sitting on an airfield is illegal, bombing the airfield should be also. Using a landed plane's MG is at least realistic and doesn't destroy the runway like bombs do. Drop 5 bombs on a runway and it's not a runway anymore.
) why only 1/3 bombers in strike missions? They're not so hard to kill.
) does a team have to win the war before they can get hangar E? Since both sides will buy the best possible hangar, they'd have to hold 4 territories for 3 weeks, or 3 for 5 weeks.
) strike mode is still pretty glitchy about when targets are actually destroyed. Also what about kamikazes in bomb missions?
) The rules will have to be translated into at least 2 other languages. If this starts in just a couple days, there will be a lot of people playing who don't know the rules, and will just jump into a furball as usual. Or who don't understand they can use an i-153 in that initial furball, or that they might face a whole team of i-153's.
) If the VIP is allowed an Arado, what do they even need an escort for? If a jet is crossing the map, it's gonna cross the map, there's no stopping it. Even an me-262 would get one head-on shot at most, after turning it would be too far behind to catch it in time. Though to get an Arado, I guess you have to win the war first to get hangar E
) 3 briefings a week... means 3 matches a week? That's impossible even in a 1 on 1 tournament.

STINGERSIX78 01-07-2010 03:24 PM

oh dear...
a translation would be important. for me...
next questions
the briefing would explain, what options for a battle was choosen by our officers ?
anytime i died, i lost my rank ? or only when my flight lost 200 ?

irrelevant 01-07-2010 03:26 PM

Whoa... I think I'm going to need to print the rules and read them a few times. This stuff is pretty intense.

Rhah 01-07-2010 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STINGERSIX78 (Post 134214)
oh dear...
a translation would be important. for me...
next questions
the briefing would explain, what options for a battle was choosen by our officers ?
anytime i died, i lost my rank ? or only when my flight lost 200 ?

There will be a briefing (on this forum, or on the USSR forum) to explain what game type and aircraft type. Also, your officers might contact you by private message if they have time.

You only lose rank when your flight loses all 200 lives. You all lose your rank and start from the bottom again. Only rank is affected though.

InfiniteStates 01-07-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhah (Post 134200)
Special rule for Bomber pilots:
Bombers are allowed to “re-arm”, To do this you can land your aircraft on your teams side of the map and take a screenshot (via the XMB menu) with the map opened, and your speed, altitude and bomb load at zero.

Has this been tested with aviator control pad layout? Because you have to hold start for map and L2 to stay still. The number of times I've forgotten and just gone into the trees while not looking at the screen lol.

I don't know how this operates with the XMB too... maybe I'll try tonight...

Steyr_amr 01-07-2010 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates (Post 134219)
Has this been tested with aviator control pad layout? Because you have to hold start for map and L2 to stay still. The number of times I've forgotten and just gone into the trees while not looking at the screen lol.

I don't know how this operates with the XMB too... maybe I'll try tonight...

Exactly my thoughts too, though I believe when you press start your throttle locks, many a match where I have to adjust sensitivity settings at the onset, I go full WEP, nose up a little then press start to change, the aircraft remains at full power even when I'm tinkering.

Mage_016 01-07-2010 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates (Post 134219)
Has this been tested with aviator control pad layout? Because you have to hold start for map and L2 to stay still. The number of times I've forgotten and just gone into the trees while not looking at the screen lol.

I don't know how this operates with the XMB too... maybe I'll try tonight...

when you press ps button game pauses and leaves your other buttons as you were pressing them. then you can take your snapshot. it´s better to practice this before tournament.


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