no one else is important enough, only the select few can test it, then the masses get the next crack... then, more, then more, then maybe, a final..

that's the way it works..

Exactly, I agree completely.

Given that they said a few weeks ago all they had left to do was fix problems with tracers/gunsights then you'd assume now they're going into beta testing they would have a pretty complete patch, they'd have been testing it throughout each build and Luthier has said they haven't run into a CTD in months.

It's time to stop being afraid of the community and the critics (there will ALWAYS be people complaining). Release a beta now and problems that would take the beta testers a couple of weeks to find would probably be found by the community by the end of the day.

Really, if it's nowhere close to read then fine, I can wait, but I really do think involving the community in testing will only improve the overall quality of the patch when it is released.

Hey that's unfair, some children probably understand combustion engines better than we ever could!

Definitely not. As they pointed out, imagine the disappointment if there are major issues with the patch after we've waited this many months. It would be far better to wait another week, two, three, and get a patch that is largely good (there are bound to be some issues for some systems).

the best way to find these issues would be a wide scale beta release...either way you can either have a beta patch, or you can have nothing....id rather have something as opposed to nothing...

the NATURE OF A BETA implies that their will be issues...so unless you are a total moron who does not under stand what BETA means, or you have selective vision that does not allow you to perceive the word beta...i think most people would understand that the nature of beta implies that their COULD be issues....


MY god why dont people understand what BETA means...the whole point of the beta release is to find issues...and now that the community has a tool to report these issues releasing a beta makes more sense than it ever did...

seriously people this is stuff that a child could understand...

but of course the hypocrites here say "dont release it till its finished" well unfortunately if this was the industry operated most games released today would never be released...i guess games like "aces high" which is a perpetual work in progress should not be released right...i guess the devs of aces high screwed up cuz they released their game (a decade ago if not more) and they are still working on it...if they are still working on it, it must not be finished...the same can be said about IL2 series...they are still patching that game and adding features...does that mean the devs shouldn't have released it since clearly if they are still working on it its not finished....

and some people seem to be failing to realise they need to 'finish' the BETA before they can release it.

if they beta was a "finished product" then it wouldnt be a BETA....get it yet??

you see if it was FINISHED by definition it would not be a beta....that is what we are talking about whether or not they should release the beta patch to the community for testing....


you people are crazy....


i wonder how many hypocrites who say "dont release it till its done" still bought the cliffs of dover....even though it was not finished...

who said 'finished product'?, read my post again and let me know when you 'get it'

At the time of the OP it was not known if the patch was ready.

What would the point be of comiling half finished code that would create an instant CTD when it attempts to load? Of course the code of a graphics engine rewrite needs to be finished before you can release a beta, you cant just half write something, release it due to whining and call it a beta.

This man 'gets it'