Your argument the Me-110 gave a good account of itself is completely falacious, as proven by your own admittance the losses suffered by the Zerstorer Geschwader were in fact, unsustainable. As far as the claims of kills by 110 Geschwader, the actual losses by the RAF show there was an overclaim of at least 3-1.

In addition, Luftwaffe operational data shows the 110's were unable to fulfil their designed role as long range escorts for the bombers, and in fact, the Luftwaffe found it necessary to assign 109's to escort them. They were unable to operate over England alone in Free Hunt or Escort role without the protection of single engined fighters.

After the failure to act in the escort role, the 110's were then assigned the fighterbomber role, but again, did not succeed in achieving their task without serious losses.

The result was they were withdrawn from this role as well, and in the later stages of the daylight battle, it was the 109's who were assigned to the 'hit and run' fighterbomber missions against the southern English ports and factories, not the 110s.

As far as the 110's flight model in CLIFFS OF DOVER, it is clear they are overmodelled when compared to the Spitfire I and IA, even considering these aircraft are currently operating with the two pitch propellor arrangement.

For you to insist the current performance comparison is appropriate is clearly nonsense, especially considering your own site has the excerpt from the Luftwaffe's own August 8th 1940 comparison of a Me-110 with a two pitch Spitfire (+6 boost captured during the Dunkirk evacuation), which notes the Me-110 was inferior in speed and climb to the Spitfire except at sea level:

Kurfurst site page:

http://www.kurfurst.org/Tactical_tri...g_Aug1940.html

Obviously the game's aircraft Flight Model is in flux now, the Spitfire's, Hurricane's and 109's are clearly undermodelled as far as performance is concerned. The 110 may be the only aircraft modelled up to its historical level, and is thus showing an advantage.

Hopefully we will see the appropriate adjustments.

That's my take as well. I guess P-47/Tempest/P-51/190 veterans of the old Il-2 will be deadly with it..

Thanks sounds cool! You're pissing me off since I cannot get it yet!

This doesn't sound good. As others have said, it wasn't good enough as a fighter, and that's not because it had to fly slowly next to the bombers, it just wasn't as good as the Spit or Hurricane.

And the Hurricane, a pig? Sounds like you've been playing too much IL2 without reading any facts.

Well that's the historical fact, wheter you like it or not. It was discussed in lenght on a non-kiddie board.

The rest of you post I don't care, its the usual blabbering and nonsense...

I thought you meant that a total of 300 saw service in the battle. Obviously that is different from the number which started the battle.

In any case, the losses don't really matter. What was really important is whether the aircraft could do the job assigned to it. The answer is clearly NO. The 110 was so ineffective that, as stated by others, the Germans had to use 109s to escort their 110s. It takes a lot of lipstick to make that pig look good.

Hey don't get me wrong, I love the Hurri, but by comparison it was somewhat inferior....hence 'pig', I have had the chance to speak with a few contemporary warbird display pilots (Charlie Brown for example), and in his own words he described it as a 'pig' by comparison to the spit.

Indeed, when given every possible advantage, including an escort of 109s, I'm sure the 110 could be quite effective.

That's a perfectly reasonable argument, the problem is that Kurfust seems to take x occurred with y frequency and turn it in to an indication of why x was the norm. Clearly, by all kill claim and loss data on both sides, the 110s had more bad days that good. Does not make it a bad aircraft, just mis-employed.

for all i know the 110 was faster than British fighters at top speed, but with low acceleration, and if caught up it had to stay and fight; under those conditions it was quite doomed as it bleeds energy fast during turning maneuvers, and had a wider turning radius than both Hurricanes and Spits. not much they could do with low speed except forming defensive circles or dropping all sorts of ordnance and hit the deck to make a run for it (against experient opponents that is).

true enough, soon they had to be escorted by 109s. i don't think they faced their best campaign scenario so they could show their best abilities though