*straps on flame-retardant underwear*

Perhaps this post has been made with the best of intentions, however I think it's possible that experts in their field - which I hope we'd all agree that the authors are - are perhaps aware of the listed shortcomings.

To my mind, it's a bit like watching a great artist at work and hovering nearby, pointing out things that do not look right. They may not look right quite yet, however he didn't become a revered artist by making bloody obvious mistakes. Perhaps he hasn't got round to fixing that bit up yet.

'Ah ha!' you say. 'He'd never fix it if I didn't point it out!' Well, perhaps. But maybe we should wait until he says that he's done before we seek faults.

I've said this before, but I do believe that people who are actually paid to know what a Spitfire cockpit looks like might be better informed than people who are paid to well, do something else. To some, this seems like a logical leap too far.

Edit: let me ask Speculum Jockey, who may be a gynecologist, or may just be a wishful thinker, how he would feel if I watched him work and and claimed he was doing it wrong all the time, despite never having um, gynecologised. 'You're ripping her flaps!' 'I'm not, the anesthetist has relaxed the vulva.' 'You can't do that, it'll tear the membrame!' 'the membrame is completely at ease'- 'she'll die if you do that!!' 'Stop bringing your inadequacies into this'.

Post op: 'Thank you, surgeon, my wife is on the mend!' 'Yes, and thank you for all your bloody 'help'.'

I think Oleg aught to use the same business model I do: Price is adjustable according to how much the customer helps. The more he helps, the more expensive it gets.

I can think of several people who would be paying several hundred for their copy of COD.

Oleg and Luthier have posted tons of screen caps here in the past few years that resulted in people pointing out errors that were in turn fixed.

BF-110 Pitot tube, A&M logo, wrong radio mast placement, etc... all fixed after observant posters pointed them out.

As for you looking over my shoulder and pointing out mistakes, I would appreciate it if you could prove they were in fact mistakes like was posted in this thread and in threads past. As for my patients, no lawsuits so far! :grin: (knock on wood)

Ah, but you miss my point! Would you appreciate anyone looking over you shoulder and shouting out stuff mid-op?

Edit:: actually, maybe you haven't. I still think we should wait for release before trying to be clever (not that you are, but some definitely would fall into this category).

Ah, but you missed my post! It's a few centimetres above the crappy one. . . . just like my area of expertise! :grin:

Editing mishaps, I'm afraid. Being too quick to respond is my error alone.

That's ok. You can shout over my shoulder any day.

Alright if bring a cam?

I've worked in a couple of shops like this. It's a good plan.

I don't think this is exactly nitpicking. The guy is making an informed observation and he's proven in the past that he's got the knowledge and the reference material to support it. So, as long as he's not rude or something (which i don't think he was, he just gave a list of things he spotted), it's no harm.

To be honest with you, i'm amazed that we (yes, i'm including myself in this too) spend pages upon pages arguing about stuff that is usually either subjective or hard to quantify in a scientifically acceptable way (for example, tracers or colour of grass, it's not that they are unimportant, it's just that it's harder to measure and compare between game and reality), yet when someone comes up with references on things that are very obvious and easy to compare we all jump on his throat :grin:

In fact, i think we've reached a point were the interaction between a tiny amount of over-the-top nitpickers and over-the-top "fanboys" is making it so polarized, that it's getting difficult for the rest of us to avoid getting placed in one of the camps, even without our consent.
We have people like Rodolphe or FlyingPencil who have a lot knowledge and in some cases first hand experience with museum warbirds and people call them nitpickers, because they're tired of the ones who are really nitpicking. Then on the other hand, we have people who remain critical without outright trashing the game and another group calls them butt-kissing fanboys because they are tired of the few who really fit the description.

Well, in my personal experience there are a lot of people who are neither of the two. They are the ones who keep a level headed attitude and do the most to help improve this sim and ease the tensions within the community.

All i'm saying is, please allow those of us who wish so to stay away from this black-or-white vendetta. There are many who think the end result will neither be perfect nor trash, it will just be good and grow over time. Just because we don't find it perfect doesn't make us nitpickers, just because we don't find it totally worthless doesn't make us fanboys either ;)


Finally, i don't think the guy was motivated by negative intentions, otherwise he wouldn't include praise for how the artificial horizon is modeled.

By the way, that's a very nice little detail he spotted there and it amazes me how much detail has gone into this. Instruments back in the day usually operated on gyroscopes spun by engine driven vacuum pumps, the same is true even today for many light/general aviation aircraft. Before the engine starts the gyro instruments are dead, after the engine is running and the pump operates, you gradually get enough suction pressure to create the necessary vacuum and instruments slowly stabilize. Great find on that one, i watched that video but i was so impressed with the sense of speed in the new sim that i missed details like this.

Finally, i will also agree that while documented criticism is useful, we don't know what's going on behind closed doors in the beta. That doesn't mean we have to assume that every small fault and bug is already to the developer's knowledge, but neither do we have to assume that it isn't. Just give good feedback in this forum with references and some good manners and it will all sort itself out, we have a lot of people with a wide range of aviation knowledge that can make a case without making a fool of themselves and a dev team that tries to listen. Relax, provide opinions and all will be just fine in the end. :cool: