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Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 189288)

1. Cooller Intake. First of all the damage of engine motoframe could be in the points of gondola, then yes.. intake will go out withthe engine... but if damage is in points where the engine the intake will be on the place... on the frame. We model second variant of damage. Or would be better to say it may happens or not...

2. Doors. Looking on the schemes and photos it is clear that in this case they must be open simultaniosly. For the separate, when just one part open - the levers of the doors, that are not used should be removed. In air is imposible to open at first the first then second part of doors. Could be only fully open or half (in last case if removed levers on the ground)

3. Alluminium is also firing, not only fuel. And german alluminium alloys in some case was firing not worse then wooden surfaces (depending of conditions). The most dangerous alloy used in the cockpits. Light, but firing very well.

That sums up everything! :grin:

The alloys in the Aluminum were extremely flammable and some planes went down simply from the fires themselves spreading so fast.

OLEG-- One question that I believe you haven't been asked yet, and I do not believe you will answer... - Lets say I am playing SOW and I fly my plane straight into the ground and crash- will the physics of the crash and explosion be a similar damage model as IL2- or is it better/different?

Thanks and I hope the new office is going well!

-Omphalos

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Originally Posted by Omphalos (Post 189415)

Better and different

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Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 189288)

Light, but firing very well.

They used magnesium alloys in the cockpit? http://cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/c025.gif

Well wouldn't ya know, This Oleg fella actually knows what's going on. Who'd a thunk it?

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Originally Posted by Omphalos (Post 189415)

That sums up everything! :grin:

The alloys in the Aluminum were extremely flammable and some planes went down simply from the fires themselves spreading so fast.

Not true!

I think Oleg was thinking of the He-70:
He-70 Wiki

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The He 70 airframe was made out of so-called "electron metal", a very light, yet strong alloy of magnesium, which burns spontaneously in air when heated, and is only exhausted when covered in sand. A single hit from a light machine gun usually set the entire plane ablaze, killing the crew.

It is MAGNESIUM, which is NOT Aluminum.
I have seen plenty of pictures of burned remains of aircraft, but the wing tips and tails do not suffer burn damage.
Only where fuel, oil, and other combustible material exist is the aluminum melted.

Standard aircraft design, even at that time, was to eliminate any combustible structure and skin in the engine area. Common safety practice.

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Originally Posted by Flying Pencil (Post 189525)

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Standard aircraft design, even at that time, was to eliminate any combustible structure and skin in the engine area. Common safety practice.

Wright had the problem that the engines for the b29 (R-3350) should deliver 1hp/ibs.
To reach that goal they used magnesium in the engine housing.
The result were that a engine fire usually burned through the main spar of the wing,
with predictable results.

S!

Japanese used the T-7178 aluminum that was light, but burned easier than normal aircraft aluminum. No source indicates Bf109 being any more suspectible to fire than any other plane of that era.

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Originally Posted by Flying Pencil (Post 189525)

It is MAGNESIUM, which is NOT Aluminum.

Using pure Mg is nuts.
But even MgAl alloys burn well, just takes a little more to ignite them.

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Originally Posted by Flying Pencil (Post 189525)

Not true!

I think Oleg was thinking of the He-70:
He-70 Wiki

It is MAGNESIUM, which is NOT Aluminum.
I have seen plenty of pictures of burned remains of aircraft, but the wing tips and tails do not suffer burn damage.
Only where fuel, oil, and other combustible material exist is the aluminum melted.

Standard aircraft design, even at that time, was to eliminate any combustible structure and skin in the engine area. Common safety practice.

You are right but Oleg is talking about something else I am sure--- He wouldn't make an entire German airforce in the game lit up like roman candles. would he? lol

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Originally Posted by Omphalos (Post 189559)

You are right but Oleg is talking about something else I am sure--- He wouldn't make an entire German airforce in the game lit up like roman candles. would he? lol

given the fact his German planes(and bombs) are far superior to allied equipment?

Nooooooo... :rolleyes:;)