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Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 176378)

Splitter, are you not aware that Churchill lost the general election in July 1945? What he would have liked to have done at that point is of little consequence.

Adman, from what I can find (not a lot), the Sack AS-6 was a 'An extremely unconventional 1944 design with a saucer-shaped wing and a tractor propeller' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_..._World_War_Two. The Vought XF5U was an unusual design, but hardly a 'flying saucer' in the sense that the phrase is usually used. It was a propeller-driven aircraft, taking off and flying in the normal manner. The concept dates back to the late 1930s (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n13498090/), and was first tried in the US. It therefore has little significance to 'Nazi flying saucers' either.

This then leaves the Avrocar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar
Effectively an early, very inefficient, hovercraft.

It appears then that all this supposed 'research' resulted in nothing resembling a 'flying saucer' except the Avrocar, which could hardly fly at all.

well I think that's because the word "flying saucer" in modern culture conjures up ideas of anti-gravity, kind of like "UFO" conjures up ideas of alien craft, but that's simply not the definition of the phrase. A craft with a single circular shaped wing is a "flying saucer". I dont think anybody is claiming these craft were using an advanced technology (at least not any more advanced than a turbine engine) or that they were flyable. I think the question is was there an attempt to build such aircraft.

It's German, Its saucer shaped and it flew...

A.S 6V-1

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2067/...642c5e2fd5.jpg

It was however 1944..

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A craft with a single circular shaped wing is a "flying saucer".

I'd say that a 'flying saucer' had to be substantially circular in it's entirity, not just in it's wing, to meet the normal expectation of what was meant - this is why I say the Sack AS-6, and the Vought Flapjack weren't true 'flying saucers'. The Avrocar would have been, if it had ever flown properly. I've seen no evidence that anything else that shape was ever flown sucessfully.

'Flying saucers' are usually depicted as having a VTOL capability too, though I suppose this isn't strictly necessary.

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Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R. (Post 176467)

Seconded.

SO true the Nazis didnt have the UFO's they were from outside our solar system. To think people think humans are smart enough to develop antigravity systems:(

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Originally Posted by Oldschool61 (Post 176616)

SO true the Nazis didnt have the UFO's they were from outside our solar system. To think people think humans are smart enough to develop antigravity systems:(

Well if you actually read the nonsense about nazi UFO's they often claim it was stolen from crashed alien spacecraft. The same crazy people that claim the SR71 was "too advanced" for just 17 years after WWII and was built from stolen area 51 saucer technology.

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 176604)

It's German, Its saucer shaped and it flew...

A.S 6V-1

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2067/...642c5e2fd5.jpg

It was however 1944..

Dung beetle! :grin:

Churchill's Demise

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Originally Posted by Splitter (Post 176399)

I don't think I have ever understood why Churchill was shoved to the side. He had been such an effective and popular leader during the war, even a hero to those of us not from Britain.

Thanks Splitter, nice of you to say so.
Churchill was head of a 'tri-partite' coalition government during the war years. After the war, a general election was held to reinstate one of the three main parties as the sole party of government.
Churchill was leader of the Conservative party, which was to the right of centre.
A swing to the left swept Britain following the defeat of the right wing Nazis and Faschists (except for Franco in Spain), which led to a Labour government being voted in headed by Clem Atlee.
I don't think Britain's respect for Winston himself ever waned, in fact in a poll only a couple of years ago he was voted 'Greatest Briton' of all time.
Cheers
Dutch

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 176734)

Thank you for the explanation. It's really rather unfortunate, but maybe he really was just sent here to perform the tasks he did.

I love hearing his speeches and reading about his quick wit. It seems he single handedly kept British spirits up especially before the US finally decided to pitch in (we have no excuse). What a bulldog. A great symbol for the country.

I think my favorite anecdote about him was when an acerbic woman at a dinner party declared that if he was her husband, she would poison his tea. His reply was that if she was his wife, he would drink it :). Lady Astor I believe.

True or not, there are a lot of those anecdotes about the man. Just seems like a guy with whom you would like to have a pint...or three.

Splitter

Couldn't agree more!
I'm sure you've already got some of this stuff, but here's a link to free downloads of many speeches.
Enjoy!

http://www.archive.org/details/Winston_Churchill

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Originally Posted by Splitter (Post 176747)

It's amazing when you think about it, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini, all in place at the same time in history. I'm not a 'crazy' but if there were ever an argument for fate existing then this would be it!

I think Churchill became a liability the moment WW2 ceased as by that time he was a serious alcoholic. He was the perfect wartime prime minister though.