Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 176188)

It was the reference to 'butthole cleanser's' that made me respond, Hunden. Do you really think this is appropriate?

Originally Posted by Hunden (Post 176180)

Not taking sides but i believe he said march so "and never will be " is a bit of an over statement. I do not think tree's original post warranted any response from anybody who did'nt want to pick a fight to begin with.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 175771)

wow looks really good and they are already on the marketing trail, I imagine this will be on the shelves sooner than we think.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 175771)

I dont think there is any rush for a dedicated website at the momemnt because there isn't too much to show, i would imagine once we start seeing some video from a finshed game then the marketing process will kick in. Its now obvious to even the most diehard Oleg worshippers that SOW is still a way off,

Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 176450)

minor correction, just read the sequence of posts in this thread again, tree said "a year" initially, at which point he got called on it to put his money where his mouth was. thats when he rapidly started back pedaling to reduce the demarcation line. and just to clarify what some people take objection to with tree's deliberate constant negative postings about this project, many of which are directly insulting to the creators of this game, and on who's good graces we get gradual updates on their work (which they have no obligation to do, and it isnt "commercially" needed for them), this is the contrast in tree's behaviour:

1) a recent post of his in this same forum commenting on a single short glimpse of another flightsim product (which previously under great fanfare was dismantled and believed to be dead forever by microsoft)

suddenly the world is all sunshine and roses, one little short clip is now called a "marketing trail" by tree and this magically means the game release is just around the corner, and tree is all chuffed with himself and giving himself a golden shower in great delight

2) but when a NEW flightsim enthusiast joins this board with interest in the upcoming project (who most likely will then disappear taking with him the brief snips of info gleaned here to his cluster of friends and start a new batch of rumours) we predictably get tree's negative destructive one sided banter giving misinformation, except this time he slightly packages his turd with a little bow to pretend he is being all nice and helpful

wow now suddenly its all doom and gloom, as if there is no release date being hard worked for and aimed at on oleg's side, no regular weekly information updates for about a year, no signs of progress at all, no response and modifications by oleg based on fanbase feedback of his progress, etc.. so tree got called on it, at which point he started with his obscenities and personal insults (which there hadnt been in this thread so far), labeling anybody that had anything positive to say about BoB with expletives. he then put his foot in it further by saying it would be "a year" before release (which is plainly absurd, unless there is some major disaster on oleg's side), so i nailed tree down on it to make it a bet on the price of the game itself (easy enuf to do, either person can buy it online when released and have it sent to the other).

predictably, and based on the previous character flaws he had been so consistently displaying here, tree then rapidly started backtracking and trying to squirm out of it, for which he now got a long deserved medal of the avian type

the context of this all is that whatever delay's oleg is experiencing in the last yrs, which are not deliberate or by his neglect , his intention all along being to make the best possible sim he can given the resources he has to work with. if anything, his decision to not further evolve the il2 game engine and stretch it further, but make a completely different product "from the ground up" will be to all our benefit in the end, as most of us will very soon realize. so to constantly have this "slighted bride" behavior from tree is irrational, say it once that you are disappointed sure, but to CONSTANTLY do so for several yrs in most of the flightsim forums is just infantile (hence he gets treated as such, since he seems to only be able to communicate at that level), and for him to do so here so consistently and deliberately is plain offensive and rude to the creators

Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 176450)

minor correction, just read the sequence of posts in this thread again, tree said "a year" initially, at which point he got called on it to put his money where his mouth was. thats when he rapidly started back pedaling to reduce the demarcation line. and just to clarify what some people take objection to with tree's deliberate constant negative postings about this project, many of which are directly insulting to the creators of this game, and on who's good graces we get gradual updates on their work (which they have no obligation to do, and it isnt "commercially" needed for them), this is the contrast in tree's behaviour:

1) a recent post of his in this same forum commenting on a single short glimpse of another flightsim product (which previously under great fanfare was dismantled and believed to be dead forever by microsoft)

suddenly the world is all sunshine and roses, one little short clip is now called a "marketing trail" by tree and this magically means the game release is just around the corner, and tree is all chuffed with himself and giving himself a golden shower in great delight

2) but when a NEW flightsim enthusiast joins this board with interest in the upcoming project (who most likely will then disappear taking with him the brief snips of info gleaned here to his cluster of friends and start a new batch of rumours) we predictably get tree's negative destructive one sided banter giving misinformation, except this time he slightly packages his turd with a little bow to pretend he is being all nice and helpful

wow now suddenly its all doom and gloom, as if there is no release date being hard worked for and aimed at on oleg's side, no regular weekly information updates for about a year, no signs of progress at all, no response and modifications by oleg based on fanbase feedback of his progress, etc.. so tree got called on it, at which point he started with his obscenities and personal insults (which there hadnt been in this thread so far), labeling anybody that had anything positive to say about BoB with expletives. he then put his foot in it further by saying it would be "a year" before release (which is plainly absurd, unless there is some major disaster on oleg's side), so i nailed tree down on it to make it a bet on the price of the game itself (easy enuf to do, either person can buy it online when released and have it sent to the other).

predictably, and based on the previous character flaws he had been so consistently displaying here, tree then rapidly started backtracking and trying to squirm out of it, for which he now got a long deserved medal of the avian type

the context of this all is that whatever delay's oleg is experiencing in the last yrs, which are not deliberate or by his neglect , his intention all along being to make the best possible sim he can given the resources he has to work with. if anything, his decision to not further evolve the il2 game engine and stretch it further, but make a completely different product "from the ground up" will be to all our benefit in the end, as most of us will very soon realize. so to constantly have this "slighted bride" behavior from tree is irrational, say it once that you are disappointed sure, but to CONSTANTLY do so for several yrs in most of the flightsim forums is just infantile (hence he gets treated as such, since he seems to only be able to communicate at that level), and for him to do so here so consistently and deliberately is plain offensive and rude to the creators