I've never tried X-Plane, but the MSFS flight models seem nothing like as realistic as IL-2s to me. The stall characteristics seem all wrong, and I've never seen a convincing flat spin in MSFS. Perhaps the latest aircraft are better, but it never convinced me.

Microsoft seem to be living up to their usual standards with their new promo video: all I get is a black screen... :confused:

a bit more info here:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/20344...html?tk=hp_new

I would like they consider combat simulations too, then maybe Oleg and team, and even TD (with pacthes) decide to go faster.

Some concorrence is good! Things go faster, like in the war. The flight sim market is stopped, may this make it move.

I would suggest trying X-Plane (they have a free demo, ten minutes of flight). The flight models are generally more realistic, but it depends on how much attention to detail the plane maker had when he made it. ATC is bland to non-existent. Scenery is fugly. Expansion packs are fewer and further between but do exist (free and pay).

The difference is the flight model engine. Nothing I have tried compares. But then again, all of the bad stuff (terrible ATC and scenery) take away from the software.

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I'm sure that achievements, social network features, DLC and microtransactions will play a big role. Exactly what the sim community is waiting for.

Top it off with an annoying DRM system and we're set. Although MS isn't the worst offender in this area right now, but GfW Live is already annoying enough on its own.

To pass as an American is easy ;-)

So what are we supposed to be seeing in the video. It stops for me after about 5 seconds each time I play it..maybe there is another link to it?

EDIT: Got it to show. Not impressed.

"While I have come to love IL-2 recently (sorry guys, I was late to the game and had been dedicated to the Battlefield series lol), it's very apparent that the IL-2 flight models do not measure up to those of MSFS or X-Plane. It's just "too easy" to fly in IL-2 from a pure flight sim point of view"

Not really true in my opinion, I have some flying experience and of course MSFS is ahead in modelling aircraft systems and navigation, but as far a physics goes I think Il2 still has the edge. Now that being said, I'm not talking about add-ons such as accusim P-47/B-17 which are obviously much more in depth than Il2. I always wanted IL2 to be more of a study sim with more systems modelled and certainly a better CEM mode. Simple things like switching fuel tanks, or charging guns would be nice. From what I've seen TD has finally incorporated real navigation and airframe stresses, which will be great.

That promo video is probably just another example of Microsoft bullcrap false advertising. Much like the FSX direct X10 screenshot and the CFS3 promo video.

I hope I'm mistaken, but they've had a very poor rep over the last few years. I did enjoy CFS1, but they went down hill ever since. Anyone that suggests Microsofts flight model with its "fill in the blanks" data is more realistic than the IL-2 series has got to be kidding.

Sooo ... this is not for XBOX live then which was my original assumption.

MSFT is not going to waste money promoting something they don't intend to do. I'd be willing to bet the project is already significantly underway.

I don't know anymore than what I saw in the video in the first posting.

First I've heard of it, but it looks good to me.

If you look carefullyjust above the video you will see a news clickon. You can get a bit more information that way.