You took the words right out of my mouth. :)

That an exact description of some peoples mindset and this became very obvious over the past few weeks.

This + the more I whine the faster we get an update (especially when somebody important see's that I *as a valued customer* am upset)

:rolleyes:

Well, as a long time Amnesty International member I do have problems when the freedom of speech gets limited without a really god reason. No matter how stupid an opinion is, censoring is not OK for me. Naturally that does not include opinions that are out of bounds (political, racist, criminal etc). I've been spending a lot of time writing letters to Saddam Hussein, Muhammar al-Gadaffi, Mikhail Gorbachev (i'm old) and other leaders controlling the masses by deciding which opinions are OK, trying to get political prisoners free that I in many cases did not like (weird political opinions that I now way endorse). Still - I have tried to get them free as the right to express your feelings without someone editing/deleting or suppressing them is one of the most important ingredients of a society where people respect each other - no matter how stupid or negative someone is...

Sure this is a private forum so they can do whatever they want with posts here, myself as a moderator would have locked a thread I did not like with a motivation. It's the deletion that makes me irritated as it makes me think to much of Saddam and the others controlling what people are allowed to think, without the guts to give a motivation for why some articles just "disappeared" from the newspapers when the political editor was done...

So, I would have had no problems with someone locking Tree's thread (even though I'm also tired of the bad PR management of this IP). I also feel that the waiting for SoW is not so interesting now that 4.09 has finally arrived and I'm really happy with that, especially with more patches in the pipeline. I will happily pay for 5.0 whatever it's called, and if they continue developing IL2 it would really fill the SoW hole...

/Mazex

Your opinion is far from stupid, but it's based on a wrong setting.


This is not public media or a political forum for democratic discussions. This is more like you invite some people to your home, because you want to play a game with them, but they keep ranting, calling you names, offending your wife and family, making fun of things that you hold dear, of your work, demanding private information and ranting if you don't give it away easily. And if you say something, they rant even louder, as well as when you make presents to them.

Now life through that a few years and I want to see you still inviting those very people for a nice dinner.

+1

I don't like whining.

But on the other hand, I think that a good forum moderator has to be tollerant and patient.
Each of Tree's (or anyone else's - I'm not talking about specific persons) "whining" threads had some true to be discussed within them, and moderators should allow it, as long as it's not getting "bad".

What's "bad"? Well, not the whining. Many of us are married to whining wifes and we still live with them :P

One of my own definitions of "bad" in a forum is the personal attack to some other member.
By attack, I do not mean the "hot" discussions. I mean simple things like "you're a faggot", "dolphin is a bastard" or put whatever else personal insult you want here.
That's where a moderator should interfere immediately, so as to not let time to the insulted member respond. Which response is justified, as long as the moderator has not interfered before.

Closing, I'd like to say that it's obvious that I agree with Mazex (and other members of this topic), but this doesn't mean that I do not agree with Feuerfalke as well!
The response we get from each membet comes from the level of their involvement in this forum, i.e. Feuerfalke is too active and thus tired of opposing same ol' shit each day. Maybe he should not be involved that much. It would do good to him ;-)

It does. I posted a lot less in the last weeks and months, because the whining really got the upper hand. :rolleyes:

I'm glad this changed and hopefully we can soon discuss some more IL2/BoB-related topics. :grin:

What Tree did went beyond "whining"...he was just trying to stir sh*t up. In his own words he said he was "bored". In his own words he said the forum bored him, and he just wanted to "have fun". If people want that kind of behavior in their forum that is fine with me (I can go elsewhere). BUT, if people don't want that kind of behavior in their forum, I'm fine with that too...in fact I kind of prefer it.

By the very nature of being a troll, they can rarely tell where the line is...



+1

Guys I totally understand what you're saying, but let's see this case from some other angle.

This game has made all of us addicted.
Personally, I cannot count the hundreds, maybe thousands, of hours that I've spent flying, reading, developing, moderating, admining, etc. in this game.
It's a fact that it means a lot to all of us, for these last 8-9 years of our life.
At some point, due to wrong handling from the developers, in my opinion, of the facts, people (and not only one or two, but a very big percentage) thought that they'd take a new, better "drug" soon.
Those addicted junkies (me included) made plans, bought new computers, did many things in conjuction to the new "drug", but the dealer delayed the delivery.
And kept on delaying.
Junkies could not control their selfes easily.
Others did other things, others quit the game, others were too strong and kept waiting, while others got emotionaly blocked and they turned their dissapointment in negativity.
In all these statuses we can recognize many people of the community.

But what's a fact, imho, is that we should all be tollerant and those who are strong enough to support those who have emotionaly crashed.
Let's not punish them from their addiction.
Let's support them.

PS. This doesn't mean that we can accept criminal minds. But hey, Tree (whom I don't know much, to be subjective - I have not even flown with him), doesn't seem like a criminal mind. A poor junkie, like many of us, is.

PPS. Going back to my work and my kids, the best anti-IL2 drug in the universe :D

+1

In some way Tree's posts were funny, you should not take it too seriously... you need something to linger on (HFC_Dolphin are right, we are all junkies, it's not our fault...). It's because we have loved and still love so much this game.

After all without funnys thread the board would be totally boring, with many people asking only for the Shift+F1 key and how landing gears work on Ratas. Or many more spamming to advertise their squadron (worser than Tree's threads IMO)... In this way you don't create a community.

IMO :)

Anyway the moderators are the right to do what they want. ;)

My turn now: +10!

Yes, I hate these squadron advertisements as well, though you should all know that HFC is the best squadron :D

And yes, it's up to the moderators to decide how they want to run a forum.