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Originally Posted by HanzBlixz (Post 32608)

I received a bunch of ntrks today and thought I would share two with you.

These were sent from a disgruntled AAA member who said ‘What goes on in the forum vs. what goes on in the private message system are very different.”

Exchanged information includes…
Changing default maps from summer maps to winter maps for better visibility in closed cockpit servers. Changing default skins to bright colors and changing cockpits for better visibility, were just a few items mentioned with regards to cheating without touching the FM, DM or WM and passing 408 CRT=2...all through the use of the “sound mod”.

Via PM’s finding help and swapping FM, DM and WM information is common, even amongst the admin’s. Helping each other make difficult to detect mods such as giving aircraft a 10-20% boost in turning, climbing or firepower etc. A few are now collaborating and sharing extreme mods.

To be fair, I don’t believe all pro mod people are cheating crack heads as someone previously hinted. Some of the modders are upset about the path the mods are taking while many others are having fun with it.

I picked two tracks with regards to an extreme WM to share. Some of the other tracks weren’t as obvious or extreme but the mod easily could out maneuver and destroy the others.

The films speak for themselves, but for those that don’t want to bother downloading them, here is a brief description.

One film shows an aircraft use only its machine guns to destroy every object on and island in the very far distance (miles away) using only a few short burst. It then destroys 4 bombers with a few short burst. If you look closely, you can see that one bomber is hit so hard that it knocks several others out of the air.

The second film shows online action in Skies~of~Fire where a Mod vulches an enemy airbase with guns from a long ways off, destroying everyone near the base. (Watch the chat for kill confirmations.)

Without better protection, IL2 will become like CFS2 did in the end. The 409server needs a better checkruntime. Otherwise, onliners will be stuck in small private password protected rooms.

Download-Link #1: http://rapidshare.com/files/79737446...short.zip.html

Your kidding right? The first one is in QMB, and the second is just a outside view from a Spit that shoots at the base. Yes, you see kill messages. Man I can show you a track of me strafing a field with the out side view from someone else. And I really , really don't think anyone would use the name "AAA_Badboy",and cheat if it was not a shill from the anti-mod crowd. Can someone say that they were on the server that night? Sorry man, but me, myself and I need more proof than that. With the ability to manipulate tracks for movies today.........I find that just a little too obvious.

DerAlte

Hmmm...

Skies~of~Fire stats page. http://www.skiesoffire.org/modules.php?name=RStats

AAA_BadBoy The stats look bad however.
Last mission... 9 enemy kills <- in one flight.
Last two missions 16 kills in two flights??
Hit bullets=29 and at the same time enemy aircraft Kills=18

29 kills with only 18 hits all in a matter of minutes online.

Killed 3 B25 bombers offline with a short burst.
Destroyed cars, tanks and AAA from miles away.
Online Destroys 9 enemy with 2 short burst from miles away.

Edit* I have viewed the online long range vulche from several angles and added a 3rd ntrk to the zip file. I don't see anyone firing near the base on the first burst. Spontaneous combustion? Then on the second burst you do see another vulcher, but you can see his name and he fires after the main explosion. At the same time you don't see AAA_Badboy anywhere near the base, but if you watch the chat, he gets credit for the kills. The callsigns destroyed also match the stats page.

I think what the tracks above show, is that it can be done offline and online. I dont know how someone can make a trick ntrk and then on the same day hack the Skies~of~Fire stats page. I'm sure there must be an easy explanation... can't wait to hear it.

3 ntrks with the alternate view. http://rapidshare.com/files/79753704...angle.zip.html

*Edit -Update: I talked with Skies~of~Fire RS admin and they confirmed the film is legit. They had another track and banned the player immediatley. This was done before I posted the track here. Congrats to RS for taking immediate action.

HanzBlixz,

good post, and the priv msg'ing at AAA about FM/DM hacks is the same that i had heard about, so its good to see it confirmed by somebody else as well.

the AAA-badboy stats speak for themselves really, he's not even bright enough to pick a name that doesnt link him to AAA

and no sign of a new protection in 4.09 beta, this means its unlikely to be added to 4.09

and just so we keep the relevant information in one place,

....confirmation of weapons being altered at other il2 hack forums

Quote:

Originally Posted by uf_josse (Post 32537)

Hi all ;)

So, Bearcat, i am here, you can fire at will ;)

Yes, i am modding, yes, with some modders, we have made our own site...

And yes, i made some types of mods, like modification on clouds, smoke visibility, new smokes for trains and more longer wreckage smokes, new QMB with more options, french localisation of the sound mod and much more.....

Why we did'nt have some options like smoke and visibility is clearly because at the beginning of the game, PCS can't run such options without falling on knees... it was a good choice of Oleg and i respect that...

Clearly, i respect Oleg and his work..... but, i found some things really strange , like in weapons and.... yes, i am also tweaking weapons.... is it so bad that italians have correct machine guns or 13.2 MG on IAR instead MG131 ? Ask romanian peoples ;)

So, i know (as many people said to me) that only the .50 are to weak :rolleyes: i received many mps to say me that the only prob in the sim was the weakness of .50 but, dont touch other weapons........ pathetic for me.

Italian or romanian weapons, by example are clearly widly undermodeled. Not impressions..... just facts and numbers i can see.

So, discuss is impossible here , enough flameware......

I tried to discuss at AAA and.... nothing was really clear, only the clear will of MrJolly to no accept DM/FM/Weapons modding.... so as said as AAA, accept or leave..... i did'nt agree, i leaved.

But, yes, i will continue, diffuse my mods, never for DM or FM, just for weapons, but not only... i will try to repaint some pits, like IAR.... but, don't be affraid, breda are allways much weaker than .50, just more accurate.

Italians pilots can now shoot allied planes like in real life. No more, no less. .50 have now more API... better for pacific, harder for western front. to shoot down and flame foe planes. Where is the problem ? Yak can now suffering dammage by 13.2 MG, is it a so great crime ? only red can win ?

One more time, only modding weapons trying to have more accuracy.... it is my crime, i am here, fire at will...

BTW, i think that the greatest danger for all is to hide all is not declared politcally correct.... this way , has nobody any view or control on what is done..... your force modders like me to be "underground"...... bad thing IMHO.

You will never know what we are doing and for this reason, you just have to be affraid and it maintain suspicion , for all.... that will kill the community, not the mods. Here is the shame. Hidding things are the best way to suspicion and ...... silent modders that will cheating.... not my way, but i am not alone. What i can do with weapons is really simple to do. The difference is so tiny, that i am pretty sure some of you have allready been shot down by modded weapons, and you saw surely nothing.....

ANd BTW, yes, i allready modified a flightmodel.... it was surely the greatest cheat in the net...... i put LI-2 FM on C47....... just, LI2 has no prob with COG as C47 have.... Wow, what a cheat :rolleyes:

Over and out for me.

and

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Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper (Post 32426)

I just read, again, at that other site that someone modded specific aircraft WM to use safat rounds. Rone or Josse ring a bell? That isn't the only WM mod either.

In defense of AAA..

"he's not even bright enough to pick a name that doesnt link him to AAA"
The callsign may be bogus or it may be a former member who is upset with them.

"no sign of a new protection in 4.09 beta" This doesn't necessarily mean that the 409 server won't.

Also, its very important to point out..
Skies~of~Fire did a great job at catching this and not allowing it.
The admin on Skies~of~Fire had their own ntrk and immediately banned the person.

~S`Gentlemen

I am an admin at Skies~Of~Fire/Skies~Of~Valor - www.skiesoffire.org. Our admins have recorded this incident also. The perpetrator AAA_Badboy is not a member of the AAA team AllAircraftArcade. He is an imposter and has been banned from both of our servers. Here is his IP for all community server admins to document/ban:

AAA_Badboy - IP: 24.19.244.48

It appears the bullets of the Spitfire (Badboy) in the n-track are guided similar to the rockets for the Ta-152C. Possibly a hack for the guns to be similar.

We have also banned another flier in our server:

Daichidiki - IP: 76.22.62.154 (Daichidoku imposter)

This visitor to our server was observed flying an indestructible Lerch...when there was not even a Lerch in the planeset. I heard this also happened in a full real server in Hlobby. This pilot was banned from both of our servers also and has not resurfaced.

We do allow the sound mod on our servers as do the majority of Hyperlobby servers. Many allow it since runtime alterations are causing problems with various operating systems ie..Vista. Our servers are configured the way they were provided by UbiSoft in the latest patch. We do not promote the use of any mods, however we are aggressively monitoring the behavior of all the aircraft in game knowing many in the community have the sound mod. Many of us have flown IL2 since 2001 and are very familiar with most if not all of the flight characteristics in game. Any bizarre anomalies are met with removal/ban from our servers.

The guys at AAA have made a sound mod for the game to merely improve the quality of the sound. They have also made a couple of the bombers and a few other AI aircraft flyable. We have met these guys on our Teamspeak comms and know them very well. They have no bad intent for flight model alterations in IL21946. They are merely just making the game more attractive to potential new fliers within this community and kicking some life into this fantastic seven year old game. The AAA are very honest and welcome anyone to their website forums to see what they are up to.

I find it ironic that as soon as we recorded this incident (n-track above), banned the mod flyer and started discussing it, it shows up here in with an elaborate description of the stats, along with several people bringing this to HanzBlixz. This within a very short period of time....hhmmmm.....curious.

Thank you for reviewing my reply. We are doing the best we can right now to keep hackers with malicious intent away from our servers. Also to report them within the community so we can try and keep them away. Over the last few months we have had a strong presence in Hyperlobby not because of any game mods, but because of a dedicated hard working team of flight sim enthusiasts that just want the community to have a great experience. We have a wide range of great maps and various planesets to accommodate all levels of expertise. One server open pit and one closed. Please stop by some time and get to know some of the SOF community. See you in the Skies! ~S`alute

Built

Saddly, it isn't necessary to have the sound mod to perform this kind of cheat.... Qtim's available tools (available since long time) are enough...

Anyone can access java classes with Qtim's tools can very easily tweak weapons...... it is not so new.

AAA and Wasy are probably for nothing in this case.

Weapons or FM swapping are very saddly 2 of the most easier things to modify.

What is really hard is to make a good and accurate tweaking.... but the thing seen in your tracks is easy to done..... too much easy for everyone has bad intentions.

I effectively try to tweak some weapons for more accuracy (like Breda or 13.2 browning for IAR 81A) i don't agree at all with use of widly exagerated weapons.

Not my way. I never diffuse tools or method how to do that.

The fact that you "don't agree" "with use of widly exagerated weapons" is irrelevant to the discussion. Nobody care, either pro- or against "modders". Other "modders/hackers" use what they want to use, and will not ask authorisation to anybody, neither you, I or the official dev.... nobody can't do anything against that. The Pandora box is oppen, and nobody will close it, whatever is tried to limit the mess.
Before the tools, there was a central control (M:1C) to control the quality, accept and deliver (in official patches) the third-party modders work. Now this control is non-existent since everybody can freely bypass it with Qtim tools.... and nothing will ever replace it. Those who think the contrary and believe a "player community authority" (like I see some suggestions on some forums) or anything else can replace it.... are just dreamers.

It's a fact, and we have to live with. My only hope is that online integrity may be restored with a "CRT=3" check in the patch official release... there's no official promise about it, but I still hope...

It's good that you don't diffuse tools and method to do that.... for your own sake... In fact, everybody can find Qtim's tools with a 5mn search (took me 1mn When I tried... just to verify... I'm wont do anything with these tools).

I'm a bit puzzled that when some calls were done on some forums to help building objects for some official mods (maps), so few peoples answered... and that now on the same forums, everybody's happy to "mod" and to show their "modding".... but I shouldn't be... it's human nature.
Very few peoples wants to give a bit of freetime inside a constrainted project, with quality control.... and when there's no more constraints, no quality control and when freedom is total, much more peoples are interested.
Now I read there and there some "free modders" whining about the lack of "self-control" of other "free modders"..... Gives me a good laugh each time... :)
It sounds like "we want freedom... but only for serious guys like us"... do you really think this kind of speach has any chance to be heard seriously?

I feel maybe that some "Anti-modders" are just trying to discredit the AAA gang and what they are trying to do. It is a shame really. After reading some posts here, it seems that the "Anti-Mod" crowd knows more about DM/FM hacking than anyone.

Strange, really strange indeed.

DerAlte

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Originally Posted by DerAlte (Post 32684)

I feel that your animosity against non-hackers disqualifies your opinion.
The non-hackers didn´t hurt or affect anyone until they were affected.