Well, I hope the server admin's institute some kind of I.P. ban on those offenders. As a member of the Winds of War, I have not seen any complaints thus far on our server.

WC does the same , WCWF we try too run a clean server , with no buts

Well there is a small flaw in this logic, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bust your balls here. You state that this proves conclusively that cheating is indeed happening, that is not correct, all that proves is that cheating is possible. You also stated earlier that is it beyond doubt that cheating has increased since the sound mod was released, I have to disagree. I do have doubt that cheating has increased, I fly 90% online and I have been flying regularly for four years or more, we all know that proof or no we can just "tell" when there's real cheating going on, well that has not increased for me. I have not seen any more occurences that make me say "that had to be a cheat" than I did before. And it is not the fact that I fly this server or that server, since some of my favorite servers I can no longer get into as I have vista and they have crt=2. Call me a softy but I don't beleive there are that many in the il2 community that would cheat, I just don't think it is as bad as it's being made out to be. You say that the fact that it is possible to cheat makes onliner worry, well yeah, but how much are you supposed to worry? There was cheating before and noone went nuts like is happening now. Why is this such a huge freaking deal, I just don't see it.

Because not every dick,tom or harry could do it as they can do it now with the soundhack.

I've bolded the important part, they CAN do it. Thats not in contention, I haven't seen any overwhelming evidence that it IS happening (and I don't mean to say "prove it", I'm just saying I don't see it actually happening). Yes, every tom dick and harry can do it now, but not every tom dick and harry is or will do it. Sure, I'm willing to concede that there may be a small increase in cheating over this, but why do mod users get abused over this? The only reason there is even a debate over this thing is that right off the bat someone said "mod users are automatically cheater" and all the honorable and good intentioned mod users said "hey, wtf? I'm no bloody cheater". The cheaters are pretty much guarenteed not to be even involved in this argument, as they don't care about their reputation being smeared over "mods", hell, cheaters probably don't even care about the mods, thier just glad to have an avenue to cheat. I didn't have a damn thing to do with cracking the il2 code, I haven't extracted any files, if I could I would put it all back in the box, but as it stands it has been broken and my not using the mods is not going to accomplish anything but to deny me the really nifty things AAA is doing. I don't use gunsight or mirror mods online, I don't use 6dof, and do not even offline touch some of the weapon mods out there, why, because I disagree with having that kind of advantage. Does that mean I should persecute people because they "might" be using a mirror or a gunsight? Hell no! I just do my best to outfly the other sonofabitch, can't shoot down what you can't get behind, same as it's always been, same as it always will be.

Agreed US. Well written!

"I just do my best to outfly the other sonofabitch, can't shoot down what you can't get behind, same as it's always been, same as it always will be." Urufu Shinjiro.

Has the online games shut down? Or are people still flying online as usual?

Well I flew online (Svs109 & AFW that is) a lot during Xmas and frankly speaking never noticed anything out of ordinary. But then I AM a bomber / ground attack jock and thus will NOT actively seek contact w/ enemy fighters, so what do I know? ;)

Ask Erkki, he's an excellent fighter pilot and AFAIK mostly flies online so he should know what's up I think...

...frankly how is anyone going to know if one has been "victimized" by a cheat online......unless its as blatant as saddling up on his six and having him hit the afterburners and "he's a dot".....what are we supposed to be looking for here.

If every time I go online I am going to have to worry about this mod and that mod and the CRT=whatever; then where is the fun. I guess its about trust; there will always be some people that want to push the limits....I guess that is fun for them. Meanwhile what do you do...find a nice group of folks to fly with in passworded servers, be a target tug, or just hang the old HyperLobby up for good!

Is it OK to have trim on a slider! Remember that fracas!:rolleyes:

It is always gonna be out there. Every time you play online, it doesn't matter what game. It always has been.

I would like to hear Erkki's opinion if he cares to post.

I received a bunch of ntrks today and thought I would share two with you.

These were sent from a disgruntled AAA member who said ‘What goes on in the forum vs. what goes on in the private message system are very different.”

Exchanged information includes…
Changing default maps from summer maps to winter maps for better visibility in closed cockpit servers. Changing default skins to bright colors and changing cockpits for better visibility, were just a few items mentioned with regards to cheating without touching the FM, DM or WM and passing 408 CRT=2...all through the use of the “sound mod”.

Via PM’s finding help and swapping FM, DM and WM information is common, even amongst the admin’s. Helping each other make difficult to detect mods such as giving aircraft a 10-20% boost in turning, climbing or firepower etc. A few are now collaborating and sharing extreme mods.

To be fair, I don’t believe all pro mod people are cheating crack heads as someone previously hinted. Some of the modders are upset about the path the mods are taking while many others are having fun with it.

I picked two tracks with regards to an extreme WM to share. Some of the other tracks weren’t as obvious or extreme but the mod easily could out maneuver and destroy the others.

The films speak for themselves, but for those that don’t want to bother downloading them, here is a brief description.

One film shows an aircraft use only its machine guns to destroy every object on and island in the very far distance (miles away) using only a few short burst. It then destroys 4 bombers with a few short burst. If you look closely, you can see that one bomber is hit so hard that it knocks several others out of the air.

The second film shows online action in Skies~of~Fire where a Mod vulches an enemy airbase with guns from a long ways off, destroying everyone near the base. (Watch the chat for kill confirmations.)

Without better protection, IL2 will become like CFS2 did in the end. The 409server needs a better checkruntime. Otherwise, onliners will be stuck in small private password protected rooms.

http://rapidshare.com/files/79753704...angle.zip.html

**Edit -Update: I talked with Skies~of~Fire RS admin and they confirmed the film is legit. They had another track and banned the player immediatley. This was done before I posted the track here. Congrats to RS for taking immediate action.