Originally Posted by Outlaw (Post 450108)

Justification does not prevent CHOICE. IMO, BY DEFINITION, if you know the law and intentionally violate it, you have CHOSEN to be a criminal.




From the Meriam Webster dictionary...


--Outlaw.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 450112)

And we get even further evidence that Nearmiss and co are monumentally ignorant about the very topic they go on about.

Meanwhile, Nearmiss has sent be a PM telling me to "go back to that thread and delete those postings very quietly or be banned". I have no intention of doing so. Instead, I shall be contacting 1C directly, asking them whether they consider it appropriate that 'moderators' (LOL!) abuse what is allegedly a 'no-politics' forum to push offensive and paranoid partisan politics, and gloat on the death of teenagers. I expect that Nearmiss will abuse his position further by banning me, and quite likely by trying to erase all evidence of his gross misuse of his powers from the forum. I suggest that all those who are of a similar opinion as me likewise contact 1C directly, and also call for Nearmiss's dismissal. It cannot possibly be in 1C's interest to have a forum already troubled by trolls and the like further inflamed by such behaviour. This has nothing to do with any 1C product, and as an 'off-topic' subject falls entirely within the "Political and religious discussions are prohibited" rule supposedly enforced here. Evidently though, what the rule means to Nearmiss (and sadly, other moderators too, it appears) is that "Political and religious discussions are prohibited unless the moderators support the politics being pushed".

Of course, if 1C actually are in favour of allowing their so-called 'moderators' to use forums for pro-gun political propaganda of the most vile kind (tinted by at least suspicions of overt racism on the part of several other contrubutors: e.g. " these lower life forms will be removed from the DNA pool because of lead poisoning"), one would have to ask whether one should be supporting the company by buying their products. I very much doubt that they are (it would make little sense from an economic viewpoint), but I will have to see how they respond - and if necessary raise this elsewhere. I'm quite sure that sections of the media would be interested to see how an industry that claims (with at least some evidence in support of their position) that 'in-game' violence does not promote violence in the real world could be encouraging the facile and uncaring celebration of such violence, along with racism, xenophobia, paranoia, and all the other garbage that accompanies this world view.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 450112)

And we get even further evidence that Nearmiss and co are monumentally ignorant about the very topic they go on about.

Meanwhile, Nearmiss has sent be a PM telling me to "go back to that thread and delete those postings very quietly or be banned". I have no intention of doing so. Instead, I shall be contacting 1C directly, asking them whether they consider it appropriate that 'moderators' (LOL!) abuse what is allegedly a 'no-politics' forum to push offensive and paranoid partisan politics, and gloat on the death of teenagers. I expect that Nearmiss will abuse his position further by banning me, and quite likely by trying to erase all evidence of his gross misuse of his powers from the forum. I suggest that all those who are of a similar opinion as me likewise contact 1C directly, and also call for Nearmiss's dismissal. It cannot possibly be in 1C's interest to have a forum already troubled by trolls and the like further inflamed by such behaviour. This has nothing to do with any 1C product, and as an 'off-topic' subject falls entirely within the "Political and religious discussions are prohibited" rule supposedly enforced here. Evidently though, what the rule means to Nearmiss (and sadly, other moderators too, it appears) is that "Political and religious discussions are prohibited unless the moderators support the politics being pushed".

Of course, if 1C actually are in favour of allowing their so-called 'moderators' to use forums for pro-gun political propaganda of the most vile kind (tinted by at least suspicions of overt racism on the part of several other contrubutors: e.g. " these lower life forms will be removed from the DNA pool because of lead poisoning"), one would have to ask whether one should be supporting the company by buying their products. I very much doubt that they are (it would make little sense from an economic viewpoint), but I will have to see how they respond - and if necessary raise this elsewhere. I'm quite sure that sections of the media would be interested to see how an industry that claims (with at least some evidence in support of their position) that 'in-game' violence does not promote violence in the real world could be encouraging the facile and uncaring celebration of such violence, along with racism, xenophobia, paranoia, and all the other garbage that accompanies this world view.

Originally Posted by von Pilsner (Post 450104)

You have to take 2 tests to get a license to own a car, perhaps there should be a written and competency test for gun ownership (as well as a license).... actually not a bad idea, Outlaw!

Originally Posted by von Pilsner (Post 450104)

would you object to:
1. reasonable waiting period on gun purchase
2. background check for all gun purchases
3. limiting sale of certain magazines (based on capacity)
4. so called assault weapon ban?

Originally Posted by von Pilsner (Post 450104)

p.s. - I don't wish you or your family to have any misfortunes and I'm glad you were there to protect them... ;)

Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 450121)

I yet have to meet a single person fully capable of reaching that.

Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 450080)

Sometimes it is frustrating to argue with you, Stern. It is as if you intentionally misunderstand me.

What I am argueing about is not the individual situation. I actually agree, in many ways a gun, in the modern world, helps out in certain situations. Though I think it is quite obvious even here that people overestimate their ability to actually use a gun when it "really" counts. It is much more about "feeling" safe, not about actually being so.

Originally Posted by Outlaw (Post 450128)

Then, for you, choice does not exist at all so, like raaaid and his matrix theory, there's no point in even attempting to make a point.

However, in the real world where the rest of us live, if he can kick my door in or walk away, he has a choice.

--Outlaw.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 450129)

I understand you perfectly, but personally I will never accept to give up my guns because someone tells me I'm safe or because it will make my country a safer place. I know I'm fit to own and operate firearms, and as long as I have all my marbles and behave according to certain standards (i.e. frequenting gun clubs), I pose no threat at all to the rest of the society, and surely not more than the drunk driver or the average criminal. So no, I won't let the government get my guns and destroy them for their political agenda. When I was told the horror stories of what happened here in the 90s with the seizing and destruction of thousands of pistols.. man what a sad day for democracy that must have been...

sorry Beo, but if short term solution means saving lives, I'll stick to owning guns. I'm not ready to become a martyr nor I would want anybody else to be one. You had a shocking experience, but don't think for a minute that gun control would actually mean you or your loved ones wouldn't live the same experience again. Even in this gun-freak-control country they regularly seize assault rifles, because criminals do not abide by the rules of our society.

This article is from 2008, but a friend that works at the London Metro told me things haven't improved at all, and that during last year's riots there was the serious fear that some police officer would have been shot in retribution, that's why many watched as the thugs destroyed the shops...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1

Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 450131)

Bullocks. Choice certainly does exist. Simply not as that almighty descision tool you make it out to be. If that were the case, please tell me why in religions hardly anyone decides to join another religion, despite each religion claiming being the best one?

Ppl have much less choice in life then you might think, and that ceretainly is not covered by either/or, black and white, only the extremes views.

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 450101)

Youtube has large numbers of carefully documented accounts of atrocities associated with gun control.


Britons aren't happy about gun bans