No there isnt... there is absolutly NO touching of FM/DM or WM's. At AAA - its strictly forbidden! I suggest you look into these things before you make wild accusations.

except of course that they openly provide the tools and method to access it, and it can then be done by any 12yo who is able to cut and paste in notepad.

whatever AAA's good intention, they are part of the problem.

Well what are you paranoid ppl going to do? Accept things the way they are? Quit flying IL2 online? Conduct a witch hunt to find the cheats? You should do something instead of making accusations and getting ppl arguing with each other. Be constructive.

you'r being a bit revisionist there and are failing to mention the main issue, which was that this thread was started because 3 or 4 of the pro hack kiddies kept insisting for 30 pages that online cheating with the soundmod hack was not possible, and that checksum 2 still prevents it.

all that nonsense was then used to claim that the hack kiddies were really a bunch of super cool uber programmers that were going to create a fantastic new version of il2 and everybody should be grateful for the tinkering.


so this thread was started stating:

as it turned out:
- many new forms of cheating can now happen since the soundmod hack was released, and most of this cant really easily be detected by other users making tracks (removing cockpits, replacing cockpits, adding bright fluro skins to enemy planes..)
- links to specific mods were given showing exactly that you can now add mirrors, remove cockpit parts that block visibility, add gun gyro's ....
- its been shown you can create your own franken monster plane by cutting and pasting bits and pieces from various planes
- checksum 2 doesnt work if you use the "right" version of of the soundmod hack
- you can use any plane you like in full real servers, even if it isnt on the list
etc... etc...

i'd say that proves pretty conclusively that "cheating using the soundmod hack" is indeed happening, and that cheating is much more of a problem then it was before.

Mr Zapatista, Im afraid you're incorrect in a couple of aspects here... First off, yes parts of the cockpit CAN be removed, but they arent being removed (at least @ the AAA forums). "Frankenstein" aircraft, are not a cheat, infact its no different than wearing your own skin on your own aircraft. All it does is change the look. Every 'frankenstein' aircraft, is built on an aircraft featuring a simular FM/WL/DM to the 'frankenplane' in concept - and there is NO alteration to any of the 'big three' no no's. This means that all that is different, is that the person flying the franken plane see's his tempest, as a tyhoon. Thus there is absolutly NO way that can be constituted a cheat.
Secondly, the 'using anyplane in any server' is something which is not a feature of the 'soundmod hack'. If it is infact being done, it is an additional mod, more than likely one that even out dates the more recent 'sound mod'.

I personally, however, am in agreement with you in regards to the possibility that the gyro sight and mirror additions, are perhaps rather unfair. AND the only thing I can think of that even vaguely justifies the use of these mods is that, yes, they are historically correct additions.

As for the changing of default skins, I believe that it was actually possible to do before the release of the sound mod - i remember seeing something around 6 odd months ago about it.

Now, perhaps instead of just pointing fingers, guys, how about we look into a way that we could, as a community, cap, or even direct, what happens from here...

Zapatista:: Sounds like a social behavioral problem on anonymous public servers that most of Oleg's customers don't face -- why do we choose to fly with people who would cheat us? That's why I said earlier that this thread serves no purpose. Proof of hack cheating on anonymous public servers would only demonstrate a social behavioral problem with some online play cheaters.

@lexx
as a few posts before was mentioned: where do the people with the "social behavioral problem" get the tools to do their misdeeds?

@all

again as mentioned before: The reason for this Thread was to get proof that cheating with the sound-hack on checksum 2 "protected" Servers was possible.

That was done!!!

Thread closed??

robtek:: Correct. The tool is not the misdeed.

This may be (?) a better explanation: The hacking itself can be seen as a misdeed if Oleg personally dis-likes it, which I assume. Using the hack/mod tools to cheat in anonymous public servers is a different misdeed which is not related to using the tools for non-cheating purposes.

The mod/hack tool can have no negative effect on any type of gameplay. Only the online players in anonymous public servers can cheat in anonymous public servers and so negatively effect only anonymous public server gameplay.

except that if you'd actually read the whole thread you'd already know that is not the case.

the few examples i already posted of some of the franken planes had improved visibility from the cockpit, so yes, even using those constitute cheating.

not correct either, but you can try and play with words if you want to spin it in one direction or the other. i'd say the way santa clause worded it avoids most confusion...

it doesnt matter if its historical or not, what matters is that people adding bits and pieces as they see fit, and it cant be detected online, nor can it be prevented.


its now a lot easier, and every dog and cat knows where to get the files

its a nice idea, but the horse has bolted, and nobody has control anymore of what happens with it from now on