Does Zapatist have to point out, yet again, where those proofs are located, or can u read back?

Seriously.

well... with you up to a point - they are allowing discussion of the matter, futile as that may be, it is still something to be encouraged. maybe that's just me and my wishful thinking, but drawing lines doesn't do a great deal. i guess sides have pretty much been chosen, but it's the amount of venom that will determine whether a reconciliation is ever possible, or will these grudges be taken into BoB.

he hasn't pointed out where they are one single time baron. i am not an imbecile. the only things in his posts are insults. the one track posted has now been removed. try again.

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So where are all the tracks? I only say ONE link to the "Santa Claus" Rapid Share track and that file was already removed by the time I got to it. This thread had a VERY simple premise...to provide tracks of uncontested proof of modding of Il2. I am VERY disappointed in those of you that turned this thread into a flame war. I am also disappointed that only ONE track was provided in this thread. I was eagerly awaiting the viewing pleasure of watching that Stuka laden with 4 MK108s and HVAR's and the Storch dropping parafrags! So where are the tracks? People say that cheating is so prevalent today. I have been away from Il2 for a few months. Let me see it.

So what's your gut feeling on this...do you think that there are any cheater's on-line?

Since it seems we might be having a civil discussion I'll chime in. My gut feeling, yes, there is cheating going on. There was cheating going on before this whole debacle though. Is there MORE cheating since the mods, maybe, but if there is I think it's still a very small amount. It's possible that it may increase but I doubt it. Most people who play this sim are into it for a specific reason, be it flight simulation (as this is one of the best on the pc), or history buffs. Either way most are in it for realism and acuracy, those that are in it mearly to beat the other guy either don't stay in long or are not worth fretting over as they are very sad individuals indeed. I may be a little pie-in-the-sky about my opinions but I think the vast majority of people who play il2 don't want to cheat, heck, most want it HARDER. Those that want to cheat will be rooted out and won't have anyone to play with, they'll go back to thier shooters and cheat there eventually.

To review, yes there is cheating, yes it's possible to make more cheats with the mods, no it is not a plague of cheating, people will not automatically cheat just cause they can, those that want to cheat cheated before and will cheat after.

no prize there, return to starting point and try again

if we are going to discuss apples and oranges, it doesnt work if you paint an orange green and start referring to it as an apple from then on. dont panic now if you cant understand that either, that was an analogy again. if you are going to use your own "special posting system" here using your own "special words" (like you seem to have your own private definition of what cheating means to you), then dont expect the rest of the universe to change its accepted conventions to decipher it and understand you. btw, it seems you put about the same lack of effort into trying to communicate here whatever thoughts are floating around in your head.

i have tried to keep this simple for you:

the question: evidence of 'cheating using the soundmod' hack

the answers given in this thread:

- links demonstrating cheating with the use of the new soundmod file hack is indeed possible, and having modified files can not be detected anymore when you join online servers, examples have been posted
- specific examples of the type of cheats that can be used were given, mirrors, gyro's, improved distance visibility etc.. also explained to you that cheats like that can not be seen by other users making a track of what happens in the server at the time.
- demonstrated non authorized planes in full real restricted servers being used, and is completely possible now.
- franken monster plane examples given, including how their use can have several advantages (ie a form of cheating)
- others from your own hack crowd confirmed here and "there" that checksum 2 doesnt work, even if you keep doubting it.

by your own admission you say you dont fly online, and the center of your argument you keep repeating is "i havnt seen it therefore it doesnt exist", cant you see the absurdety of that ?

you seem to expect from me that i am going to post links to some of the actual hack files, or spend half a day creating some horror planes myself just because some doubting Thomas on some internet forum cant use google. there have also been notes from the forum mod not to give specific information here on where and how it is being done. put some effort in yourself if you still cant figure this out with all the information you have been given, you seem to expect us to keep wasting our time to spoon feed you.

i dont have a problem with anything you said there, the main issue is that it has created 2 opinions in the il2 community

group 1: doesnt want to do anything about the problem, many are even here loudly claiming this doesnt create any problems whatsoever, and if it affects other users negatively they dont care. all they want to do is keep tinkering with it like a mechano set.
group 2: wants to close pandora's box again so that the problem doesnt get worse over time, as is already the case now where week by week more aspects of the game are altered. this groups prime concern is that they want to have the same unaltered files/features used by all people that fly online, when they join open servers with other il2 users on it from all around the world.

zap, give up with this trying to call me an idiot line. it got old pages ago.
theone link is dead, and was apparently a cheat not related to the soundhack, miss that bit being repeated? the cheats you mention, such as mirrors, are more an advantage than a cheat - an advantage like having track ir, or a huge monitor or equipment that varies between users. cheats are fm/dm/wm changes - things like having mk108's on a p11.c. the frankenplanes, well if you think having something like a different cowling on a 109 is a cheat then fine. as i've said it doesn't change fm/dm/wm, but you ignore this every time. you may a point with the removed headrest, but when you start going on about clearer perspex textures that's clutching at straws. whilst i don't fly online i do look around forums and such for people saying "w00t i got a supersonic gladiator". apparently cheating, from what i read, is possible (and has been for oh so long), but it requires more talent than the average user. i have repeatedly asked for pm's because i know the trouble that would follow from posting it in forums. you missed the point of this thread from the start. evidence. anyway, this thread had taken a turn for the better til you returned.
the only time that has been wasted is all the time you chose to try and turn this into a flamefest instead of a proper discussion.
good day to you, and may your turkey be burnt and dry.